Thread: Paradox?

Let me start off by saying that I've never had a decent Lucid Dream. That may very well be contributing to my current state of confusion. That confusion being, I believe I've uncovered a fundemental flaw in the concept of Lucid Dreaming.
No matter what technique you use, no matter how robust your dream recall is, you will always be stuck with a memory of a dream, lucid or not. I believe this is the reason so many people have asked the question: "Did I only dream I was lucid?" I have also had the feeling that my "lucidity" was nothing more than a regular dream. You could have the most vivid, realistic, intense Lucid Dream ever, yet its only a memory, because you wake in the morning at the mercy of your dream recall. I sometimes have gone so far as to think that there is no point to having an LD. As far as my mind is concerned, I never experienced that dream in "Real Time." I dont want to make this post too long, lest you grow bored. If you made it this far, thank you, and humour me, because contrary to what I've said, I'm just aching to have a killer LD.

Isn't that the very same problem with memories of WL? Memory can be so convenient sometimes <.<

I know how you feel. I have dreamed I was lucid twice before myself, it is very confusing. Actually being lucid, however, is a different story. This is how I have learned to look at it:

Conciousness = Being there in the moment, experiencing it. Now really imagine what it is like to daydream, or to be in a trance. You aren't aware of what is going on around you much, are you? Sure, you can try and then remember what happened, except you can't remember experiencing it, being conciously there, can you?

Lucid dreams = Conciousness. You remember being there in the moment, and remember actually experiencing it and knowing it, not just an empty memory like a movie.

Hope that helps a bit =).

Wow, detroitLions1970, that was exactly my point. Finally someone gets what I'm trying to say. Thanks alot bro. I look forward to my first real Lucid Dream. Btw, how many LDs have you had?

Labarge has done studies where participants have communicated with the outside world from inside lucid dreams. Just throwing that out there. We have more proof of lucidity then just recall.

But yeah, false memories are a real pain.

Like if I gave you this list to memorize:

pin

prick

silver

haystack

thread

pointy

eye

medicine

sew

point

(read over the list carefully and try to absorb as many words as possible)

-----------------------------------------------------------

Now, without looking, did the list contain the word needle?

More then 70&#37; of people remember seeing it.

Look back at the list.

Once you're standing in a lucid dream, looking around, saying "Wow, I'm touching dream objects!" and exploring a dream world because YOU ARE IN IT, don't worry you won't be confused anymore

Originally Posted by RealityEnds

Wow, Shadowsniper, that was exactly my point. Finally someone gets what I'm trying to say. Thanks alot bro. I look forward to my first real Lucid Dream. Btw, how many LDs have you had?

I've been lucid 3 times. Those 3 times I had, what I could most definatly call, the most intense experiences of my life. My most memorable one was a gunfight outside the Chernobyl nuclear power plant [I'm an avid S.T.A.L.K.E.R fan]. I'm getting close to being able to get more though, thanks to practicing MILD I have been able to at least change what I dream about to include dreamsigns. Feel free to talk sometime on MSN or AIM with me, my address is in my profile.

Good luck!

NO!

Its different,

When you lucid dream and then wake up you have continuity, you know where you have been and what you have been doing, as with any moment in life and most of all you know you have been thinking throughout the dream. This is different to normal dreaming where you only have a memory of the dream. Hard to explain but once you get your first lucid you will understand.

Here's my "paradox" idea. What if we incorporate our dreams into our waking life. Create some kind of "feedback loop" integrating our waking life into our dreams and vice-versa. Just a wacky idea.

FunK

Originally Posted by FunKtion

NO!

Its different,

When you lucid dream and then wake up you have continuity, you know where you have been and what you have been doing, as with any moment in life and most of all you know you have been thinking throughout the dream. This is different to normal dreaming where you only have a memory of the dream. Hard to explain but once you get your first lucid you will understand.

Here's my "paradox" idea. What if we incorporate our dreams into our waking life. Create some kind of "feedback loop" integrating our waking life into our dreams and vice-versa. Just a wacky idea.

FunK

I'm not entirely sure what you're saying, but then again, it's supposed to be a paradox isn't it? Hehehe. Anyway, that can be done. I did it last night. When I practiced MILD, I incorporated a chunk of my waking life into my dream life. From my dreams, I've managed to incorporated details and happenings into my waking life (usually in the form of art, dreams are the pinnacle of creativity - beleive me on that one).

What do you get? What those tibetan monks get. You are so confused from what is what that you class being awake and asleep as dreaming! Hehehe.

No matter what technique you use, no matter how robust your dream recall is, you will always be stuck with a memory of a dream, lucid or not. I believe this is the reason so many people have asked the question: "Did I only dream I was lucid?"

If I didn't get that real-time, teleported-to-bed feeling, the dream wasn't lucid IMO.

Originally Posted by RealityEnds

Let me start off by saying that I've never had a decent Lucid Dream. That may very well be contributing to my current state of confusion. That confusion being, I believe I've uncovered a fundemental flaw in the concept of Lucid Dreaming.
No matter what technique you use, no matter how robust your dream recall is, you will always be stuck with a memory of a dream, lucid or not. I believe this is the reason so many people have asked the question: "Did I only dream I was lucid?" I have also had the feeling that my "lucidity" was nothing more than a regular dream. You could have the most vivid, realistic, intense Lucid Dream ever, yet its only a memory, because you wake in the morning at the mercy of your dream recall. I sometimes have gone so far as to think that there is no point to having an LD. As far as my mind is concerned, I never experienced that dream in "Real Time." I dont want to make this post too long, lest you grow bored. If you made it this far, thank you, and humour me, because contrary to what I've said, I'm just aching to have a killer LD.

100% true. When I wake up I feel like it never happened at all.

well thanks and I hope my first real LD comes soon to lift my confusion

Even in real life, at the end of the day all you're left with is memories anyway.