Thread: Using Lucid Dreaming for Answers

I put quite a lot of thought into this and it would be quite interesting to see what you all think. I personally am not an advanced lucid dreamer, but if any of you are you should try this out.

As you know, your dreams consist of only things you know or imagine. You could start up a conversation with a DC as a form of information leech, to unlock lost memories or ask your mind and body things which it will respond neutrally. Theoretically, you could remember things you forget in your conscious state. At the same time, your creative mind could fill in the gaps of what you remember and know with random data and you might not know the difference. However I believe it is an interesting thing to explore, and possibly understand how your mind works and thinks. You could strike up philosophical conversations with yourself and you might get amazing ideas.

Another thing which I was just thinking about is exploring what your mind thinks and does when you come to an obstacle with something in real life. For example, if you have seen the film 'Tomb Raider 2', you could recreate the 'Cradle of Life' and open 'Pandora's Box' yourself, and see what happens, without forcing your own outcome, and let your mind create it without influence. I am sure you could learn a lot from yourself with these activities during LDs. What do you all think?

EDIT: I very clearly understand that if you can imagine it you can do what you want, I would have to be quite the idiot not to comprehend this. However if this is the response you have to my post you have not understood it. I am discussing the possibility of obtaining true facts from your mind whilst your body is asleep and you are at another state of consciousness.

well its you mind , if you can imagine it you can do anything you want

ultranova - You clearly did not read my post thoroughly. Please re-read it.

it would be interesting to see if any DCs know anything about your birth, or even before it. If you've ever read Many Lives, Many Masters, to be able to contact that in-between state to find the truth. I've been very interested in this myself. Let me know if you want to try anything specific.

tranquilitybytrey - its nice to see your interest in this topic. It would be quite amazing if we could explore our past in this way. The coolest thing would be to like summon a copy of ourselves in a lucid dream and just ask questions lol.

I also find this quite interesting. I find the concept like having many doors in our mind and some of them can only be opened in a differents state of being. As Morpheas once said " I can only show you the door you have to walk through it"

Originally Posted by deathxel

ultranova - You clearly did not read my post thoroughly. Please re-read it.

i did , sorry i didnt wrote my point very good
I had many dreams that where related to reality that revealed some things about me wich i was little familiar with and i realized them after dream.Well taking that in lucid dream can be very interesting.What i meant by that what i wrote earlier is that of course you can imagine it if you really want someone who would tell things about you , im sure you can duplicate yourself but since its your own creations its more likely that you will get answers you want to hear because those too are part of your imagination.but I think that would be very interesting that you can find more about yourself ( and others ) by trying to make your dream ( in this case dc telling about you ) trigger some memories , things and events that will give you another view point of yourself and make you realize many things that you couldnt comprehend in your everyday life.

hmm, I've always wondered if it's possible to get more information about yourself in any lucid which is why one of my lucid goals is to do just that once I am able to have more LDs.

I wouldn't know about "information", but character/personality development and emotional goth- definitely.

also forgive me if this is somewhat off topic but Buddhists believe there are:

1. samsaric lucid/nonlucid dreams- what everyone here experiences, basically you interact with whatever your mind creates

2.dreams of clarity- these are more advanced and harder to achieve- these stray away from everyday stuff and indeed make you more enlightened. In these you can receive higher knowledge, interact with masters, etc

3.clear light dreams- these are beyond subject/object duality. It is just you in your mind - you are past the illusions. nothing else exists and you are at peace. a sort of mini-nirvana


since Budhists basically invented LD-ing I think this has relevance

Originally Posted by deathxel

As you know, your dreams consist of only things you know or imagine. You could start up a conversation with a DC as a form of information leech, to unlock lost memories or ask your mind and body things which it will respond neutrally. Theoretically, you could remember things you forget in your conscious state. At the same time, your creative mind could fill in the gaps of what you remember and know with random data and you might not know the difference. However I believe it is an interesting thing to explore, and possibly understand how your mind works and thinks. You could strike up philosophical conversations with yourself and you might get amazing ideas.

Check this link outhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZWv2x_kQjQ

It's entitled Lucidly Conversing with Dream Figures, with Robert Waggoner

His book covers a lot of stuff you mention here, especially about what's behind the dream itself and hidden information.

Personally, I would be interested in experimenting with it, but I would definitely take it with a grain of salt. I think this sort of thing is better used for ideas than answers. If you start taking things from these dreams and trying to read into them, I can forsee someone finding themselves in a metaphysical morass. I would much rather try and come up with ideas for a drawing, a character in a book, or a vacation spot I might like to visit, and review them during my waking hours.

Still not sucessful with this current goal, but check this out for me.

http://dreamviews.com/community/show...08#post1094008

Originally Posted by Elkfazer

Check this link outhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZWv2x_kQjQ

It's entitled Lucidly Conversing with Dream Figures, with Robert Waggoner

His book covers a lot of stuff you mention here, especially about what's behind the dream itself and hidden information.

I watched it, and it was pretty interesting. I like what he mentioned about dream figures, how the more you focus on them, the more permanent they become. awesome

Tried again this morning. I was on the run from this guy, but then thought of our lucid goal. While i was running, I yelled out my name "Trey" (looking to the right) "Trey" (looking to the left) No luck.

Then I tried meditation again. It was a similar effect as the last time I attempted it, just not as extreme of an outcome. I did drink last night so...

I don't know, it seems like you have a certian level of power while lucid to work with. Some times more, somtimes less. I havn't analyzed it too much as of yet.

Gotta keep working on it. =)

maybe if summoning a copy of you is too hard, just try to talk to your inner voice and let it echo like a guide

but im sure u can do anything if you believe you can

Can't you talk to your inner voice while awake? I don't know, but wasting a LD for that seems like too much a waste. I tried talking while awake, it works, too, and you can get pretty weird answers if you try not to interfere with what "your subconscious" is saying. Sometimes it's some kind of gibberish, sometimes something more meaningful, and sometimes it reacts to you in a different way.

It must be the very same way that talking to yourself works in dreams, but you don't have to waste them

One of the things I question about this is if you are not *creating* it.


How can one find truth in a dream if you have nothing to base truth off of (a person, a journal entry, etc...)?

Our dreams are manifestations of what we create (especially lucids). How can you be 100% sure that everything is not just yourself answering it how you THINK it should be answered(kind of like answering your own question)?




It's kind of hard to explain. But, how would you know that you're actually remembering something from your past and not creating something new?

We've all seen child birth, so you're mind could very well manifest something to fit it. While it would feel like it really happened, you would *never* 100% know for sure if that's REALLY how it happened unless you have a video of your childbirth.

I can't imagine something like this being easy to test.

Originally Posted by Renim

Our dreams are manifestations of what we create (especially lucids).

I wonder why you think that we're largely responsible.

Tell me, do you really think that you're conscious in your normal dreams? Do you create them consciously? Do you always know what will happen and how it will happen beforehand?

In LDs, do you never become surprised, nothing ever fails, you always know what's going to happen the next second, how it's going to look like in details, and you can always predict what your DCs will say?

And last but not least, what is it that you're trying to control in LDs and what is it that makes you fail when you fail?

It's not so far-fetched to think that this force can be contacted imho.

But, how would you know that you're actually remembering something from your past and not creating something new?

Well people can be hypnotized and they remember things vividly. I don't know how they decide that what they remembered was real, but I think that if we remember something real we usually feel that it's real.

Very interesting thread. I am particularly interested in the interaction with DC's.

I have been LDing for years on and off. mainly spotaniuose DILDs. During these times, I have had many interesting conversations with DC's. In one vivid LD, the DC was my best friend. So vivid was the experience, I felt compelled to ask him "are you actually here sharing my dream?" he explained that he was only the the manifestation of my memories of him and that I was actually talking to my own mind. (not the kind of words my real friend would have used at all).

I have told DC's to shut up and mocked them because I know that they dont even exhist.

Recently I found myself consoling a DC who was sobbing when she realised that SHE didnt really exhist.

I think that there are profound answers to be had. But as you mentioned earlier, its all about discerning what is real and what is imagined. In alot of my dreams, I'm not even me but somebody else. I dont agree that its a waste of a LD to persue this. I'm getting pretty bored of flying now and am looking for new things to do while in LD.

How interesting would that be to be able to ask a DC about things you don't remember from your childhood and get answers, or find out how you (yourself) was feeling while going through childbirth or what it was like to be in the womb... OR.... say you read something and even though you don't retain the info, you could recall the info an a LD.. This would have made school much easier. My god the possibilities and the things you could learn about yourself.

Originally Posted by davej

How interesting would that be to be able to ask a DC about things you don't remember from your childhood and get answers, or find out how you (yourself) was feeling while going through childbirth or what it was like to be in the womb... OR.... say you read something and even though you don't retain the info, you could recall the info an a LD.. This would have made school much easier. My god the possibilities and the things you could learn about yourself.

I myself would love to hear what peoples opinions of what the unconscious mind is are. It is a very unexplored area.

but in regard to the quote above. I think that you're blurring the line between the conscious and unconscious mind. Before information can be remembered it must pass the conscious mind. Even in the case of what many would like learn about themselves just because the unconscious mind knows something doesn't mean the conscious mind does. In order for us to then know it our conscious mind must examine it. So even if you read something and your unconscious could recall it, you'd still have to have your conscious mind examine it. If you ask me might as well just read it the first time and get it over with.
But that's just my opinion.

OH also, ur assuming that the mind remembers everything that it see's. this is not the case. Filtering is taking place at every second of your day. As you type it's unlikely that you're also paying attention to what's going on in the distance. So, will this be remembered?
and even besides filtering our brain kills off brain cells as we age, so some memories just get destroyed.

yes nyrawake is very right davej, some of your examples are a little too extreme. When I say retrieve answers I dont mean this becoming a breakthrough in science finding all lost secrets and memories, but a possible channel of information that may or may not exist, but could still help guide in the right direction. Nyrawake you are correct however some memories are harder to retrieve or access in the waking state, and im sure in your dreams youve personally experienced something you had completely forgotten about but recalled via the dream.