yuriythebest's "dream optimization" theory

**yuriythebest** · 06-01-2009 09:14 PM

bad dream recall? is it? sometimes, maybe. maybe not. I think there's much more to it. How many times have all of us seen an environment, either in nonlucids, but especially lucids, that we may get the gist of, but unable to actually describe except extremely vaguely? How many times have we heard DC's talk, and at the time it seemed to make perfect sense, but as we woke up we realized we couldn't repeat a word? Seen imagery or text that we later couldn't picture in our minds but knew their context?
I believe this is all due to the brain saving resources, or being lazy so to speak.

instead of actually creating an image, sometimes when the brain is tired/lazy/bad timing/etc it simply convinces us we are seeing something. And it doesn't have to be visual- we can also hear nonexistant conversations, hear music that is not really music, etc, when in fact we are experiencing brain-soup. It's not what you see it's what you think you see.

again, this happens only sometimes. A lot of the time, especially in WILD, we see perfectly clear and vivid imagery without "tricks"

Now- is it possible to detect this while dreaming? At first I thought it was impossible to detect general dream vividness except after waking, so maybe it's possible to detect this as well, however one can not be certain that in his search for brain-soup we in fact are not accidentally creating it ourselves.

however, since all dreams are by nature illusory one might ponder on the point of this article- and that's just to better understand how dream recall works.

one might go even further and conclude that all the dreams we see are actually nothing but random HI, that we perceive and make into dreams.

**cygnus** · 06-02-2009 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by yuriythebest

instead of actually creating an image, sometimes when the brain is tired/lazy/bad timing/etc it simply convinces us we are seeing something.

interesting. nice post... but it's analysis not analisys. sorry, that bothered me. it is logical though, because your thoughts are having a direct influence on your experience in a dream.

**hellohihello** · 06-02-2009 04:09 AM

So how do we change this ;(

**D1r3w0lf** · 06-02-2009 05:46 AM

I have vivid dream vision!! =) , I am also able to recall dream dialogs.

**TJuulsgaard** · 06-02-2009 06:54 PM

I think that you also get "brain-soup" in RL. All of the times you do something you're supposed to do, and then can't remember if you did it. Eg. today while I took a shower I couldn't remember if i had actually used the soap on my body or not, so I just did it again. I was to caught up in my thoughts. (probably thinking to myself that I have to remember to stay aware...

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"Brainsoup".... I think I will use that word everytime I experience it, maybe that will help.

**[user-name]** · 06-03-2009 04:20 AM

That makes a lot of sense.

**Desert Claw** · 06-03-2009 06:52 AM

I was thinking about this too for some time and realised the same thing. but you went another step and explained it perfectly, and that is what i commend you for... nicely done too!

I'm definitely going to use the word "brain-soup" more often! and the word 'analisys' really bugged me too. maybe you should fix it before we all die of OCD

**Sacred Arboretum** · 06-17-2009 06:28 PM

I think it depends on how lucid you are/how vivid the dream is if you are not lucid. I think what you're describing only happens when you're in a hazy, non-lucid dream, but I do agree with your explanation.

Originally Posted by TJuulsgaard

I think that you also get "brain-soup" in RL. All of the times you do something you're supposed to do, and then can't remember if you did it. Eg. today while I took a shower I couldn't remember if i had actually used the soap on my body or not, so I just did it again. I was to caught up in my thoughts. (probably thinking to myself that I have to remember to stay aware...

)

You're right; sometimes our brains make the connections, and we can't always remember the specifics, just that fact that our brains told us it was right.

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