Thread: Generally how long do Lucid's last?

Your longest REM period is 45mins to an hour.
So theoretically you could achieve that.

Originally Posted by Arutad

What do you do for steady lucidity?

You change your waking perspective, be more aware.
You can let the feeling of "is this a dream" easily become an undercurrent (though personally, I don't think that is necessary).
If you are more habitually aware, simply it carries over into dream.
For steady lucidity while dreaming, you have to keep a balance between detachment and involvement. Too detached and you could wake up or enter a void state, too involved and you could lose the heightened lucidity.

Originally Posted by moonshine

Your longest REM period is 45mins to an hour.
So theoretically you could achieve that.

Technically, lucidity is knowing that you are dreaming, I'm assuming you mean that. You dream outside of REM, so theoretically you could achieve that if self-aware enough to pose the question, or trained enough to automatically ask it.

Originally Posted by ClouD

You change your waking perspective, be more aware.
You can let the feeling of "is this a dream" easily become an undercurrent (though personally, I don't think that is necessary).

How do you do each of these things?

For steady lucidity while dreaming, you have to keep a balance between detachment and involvement. Too detached and you could wake up or enter a void state, too involved and you could lose the heightened lucidity.

I'm never emotionally involved once lucidity arrives. Unfortunately, it doesn't influence the length of lucidity for me.

Originally Posted by Arutad

How do you do each of these things?

A lot of practice in perspective memory.

Originally Posted by Arutad

How do you do each of these things?

What I mean is simple, you just start living with more mental detachment to the daily grind at first.
With letting a feeling carry through the day, you just have to give it a certain amount of attention, as constantly as you can. Feeling like the world is a dream is not difficult to achieve.
You need to really give it some effort though, once you get past the curve of having to remember to remain aware then it becomes natural.

Originally Posted by Arutad

I'm never emotionally involved once lucidity arrives. Unfortunately, it doesn't influence the length of lucidity for me.

Not just emotional involvement, but how absorbed into the dream you are in general. Remaining balanced between the lucidity of detachment and the dream interaction is necessary to prolonging lucidity. I've found both aspects grow too, in other words, at the same time you get more and more absorbed and more and more detached from the dream as you maintain that balance consciously.
Double-edged-consciousness is a common meditation too, there are people that practice this in waking life, and it is a foundation principle for many meditative techniques.

In my first lucid dream 2 nights ago I couldn't really keep track of time, but it felt like a minute or so, but at the same time I get the feeling that the events I witnessed could have been spread over a number of days, and as soon as I thought about accomplishing anything it ended. It was quite the disppointment.

Originally Posted by mrdeano

A lot of practice in perspective memory.

Do you mean remembering to do RCs at daytime?

I'm wondering how remembering as a whole can be transformed in dreams, as only short memory is active, so often if you've lost lucidity you've lost it for good and will not regain it in a few moments. For that some kind of metamemory is required, to keep nudging you about needing to remember that you're asleep. But in the absence of long-term memory introducing such a metamemory seems like an impossible task.

Originally Posted by ClouD

What I mean is simple, you just start living with more mental detachment to the daily grind at first.
With letting a feeling carry through the day, you just have to give it a certain amount of attention, as constantly as you can. Feeling like the world is a dream is not difficult to achieve.
You need to really give it some effort though, once you get past the curve of having to remember to remain aware then it becomes natural.

I heard about it, but it always seemed like lying to think that this world is a dream. Does it really work this well? Obviously it works for you, but I wonder if really works as well as making LDs last considerably longer than they could be otherwise.

Double-edged-consciousness is a common meditation too, there are people that practice this in waking life, and it is a foundation principle for many meditative techniques.

What is that? I never heard about this meditation.

Remembering future intentions.

For example, remembering to buy a bottle of milk next time you go to the shop.
You don't have remind yourself throughout the day. But as soon as you walk into the shop you remember.

Apply the above to lucid dreaming. Set the intention to do a RC during a dream.

You can practice this with alarms. Set an alarm at random points during the day, your job is to remember to turn them off minutes before they go off themselves. The closer you get to the time the better.

But how will that make LDs longer? I really can't see how. It can make you lucid at night once you stumble upon your RC, and maybe you will do RCs multiple times, making even more LDs for yourself this way. But it won't make a single LD last longer once you have it...