Loafs Theory - The ADC

**Loaf** · 12-27-2009 02:42 AM

I was thinking a lot last night. I always like to think about DCs. The simple fact is DCs are basically just... well, ourselves. When we have a conversation with a DC we are just talking to ourself. When we are getting insulted by a DC, we are insulting ourself. Its a very interesting thing to think about.

Everyone here knows what a DC is. If you are new or have just stumbled here on a search, a DC is a dream character. Basically just your mind generating a person and controlling their speech and movement, pretty much based off random thoughts.
But then we have other people in dreams. Characters that disagree with you, characters that don't go away, and characters that seem to have a whole personality of their own. Some say these are entities or spirits inside your dream. But what if in fact, these are just refined DCs?

A theory I would like to present is the next stage of a DC. An ADC, standing for Advance Dream Character. A DC that isn't just a random compilation of thoughts, but in fact a planned out DC. One possibly based off somebody we know. A DC that our mind is paying attention to, possibly because we like, hate, or are particularly interested by this dream character.
For example, in my dreams a stupid bumbling DC might get in the way of my lucid goals. I dont want him here, so my mind isn't going to put a lot of priority on this character. Maybe it'll piss me off for a bit or come out with some stupid words. Either way, I want it gone.
But then in the dream I might want to be bitten by a vampire or something (one of those cool vampires, not the fags in Twilight - they can get fucked). Because I want this character to be here, I'm going to be giving it a lot of attention and thought power. I am intrigued by this vampire - I am focusing a lot on its personality - how it moves, what it does. Because of this I am now developing a DC that is a lot more intricate than your average DC. My brain is thinking about how a vampire will act, what it will do, how violent it will be. I am slowly developing a detailed personality for it, as apposed to the bumbling DC who I couldn't care less about.
For such reasons, I feel its possible that we could maybe develop DCs. We could create a character or species, write up a personality for it, and get to know it as if it was a real person.
In some ways, it would be like we are building a database for the DC. We are filling this database with the things it might do, the way it will act, and the things it will respond to. I know that a vampire will hate light, so if I bring it up in conversation the DC isn't go to ramble on - it'll say something negative about light, maybe "I hate light, keep it away" followed by "I'll kill you if you open a window" because I already know that a vampire will be hostile.
To put it simply, my brain is putting more thought power on a DC I care about. Such logic would explain why dream guides seem so much more real - because we are intrigued by them. We want to talk to them, and we are going to focus our dream on talking to them, freeing up thought power for a more intelligent discussion.

What do you think about this? Would you say that maybe it is possible to refine our DCs? I believe so.

**StrangeDreamsGuy** · 12-27-2009 07:21 AM

I believe that you are completely correct.
This is very interesting, as you could build recurring DCs with very interesting characteristics. Maybe the most despicable person you could think of, so you could kill them over and over again? Or maybe somebody perfect.

**Loaf** · 12-27-2009 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by StrangeDreamsGuy

I believe that you are completely correct.
This is very interesting, as you could build recurring DCs with very interesting characteristics. Maybe the most despicable person you could think of, so you could kill them over and over again? Or maybe somebody perfect.

Exactly!
The stuff in bold... I guess thats one motive. Ha ha.

**Phrisco** · 12-27-2009 07:24 AM

There's something very similar to this that I read a couple years ago. It's called CALD, character assisted lucid dream.

**Ferret** · 05-18-2010 05:42 AM

Hey sorry a little off topic but loaf is it easy to tell the difference between a DC and say someone you are having a shared dream with? Im just wondering as I had a dream the other night with this girl in it and im trying to figure if she was sharing a dream or maby just another DC?

**Loaf** · 05-18-2010 06:10 AM

Hmm.. in my experience.

- A shared dreamer has a slightly more vivid appearance in the dream
- They don't disappear easily
- They have a higher level of interaction, and noticeably have free will (for example, a DC might only do things based on previous events in the dream, or what action you take next, whereas a shared dreamer will do things out of sync with the dream, its theme, or your attention)

I think WakingNomad said you can find an energy from shared dreamers (or something rather, I've no idea). With any luck, the other person will know you are not a DC and interact with you first. You'll know when it happens usually.

**IndigoGhost** · 05-18-2010 12:22 PM

Here's a good one for you loafy, in a few dreams i have had myself turn up, it acts like me thinks like me and talks like me, i can even ask it questions about me and it can tell me, now here's the thing, I can then ask it strange questions that i don't even know but the fake me will figure them out as an independent, I am not thinking but he is. There is no effort on my part and the other guy works them out, what i wanna know is why and how this is possible if the DC is part of me, what i mean is how am i figuring out something without any input or effort but a dc that looks like me is doing the work.

If you ever manage to come up to a mirror image DC then i am sure you will have your mind bent like i have

There is even points where you can blur the line between what is real and what is not and kind of even feel like the you that is not yourself is the real you and that you are the clone, its a strange feeling and i would recommend anyone to try it.

**marcher22** · 05-18-2010 12:54 PM

Nice theory you have their Loaf. Personally, I think this is just like Visual Induced Lucid Dreams only your not planning out the scenery/the dream and all the other content but rather focusing on character design.

**OldMan** · 05-18-2010 01:22 PM

The problem here is the definition of what is 'you'. If you can be stripped down to a mental entity in your dream, and yet in most respects still cognitively be you, then what is it that you are dreaming 'in' - in terms of your brain and body. If you say that the same brain produces your conscious thoughts as produces the other characters and events in your dream, then it begins to sound a lot like a paradox in that you are the consciousness in the body, so how can that 'you' be creating the other characters?

I don't think these are unsolvable philosophical questions by any means, I just think that labels like 'self' are often taken as givens, when in fact many of our self concepts are hangovers from soul concepts, or re-structured soul concepts, from spiritual systems such as Christianity - things we take for granted as givens without ever questioning the ideology of the idea of the 'self'. What about people who in waking consciousness have multiple personalities? Which one is the self? Does one self create the other self? What if they meet in the same dream?

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