The darkness before you wake up, and "the tunnel"

**Novise** · 03-22-2010 04:57 AM

This is long but I think I found something significant that people can try themselves.

You know when a lucid dream ends, or you lose it, you go to this darkness. It's often simply being asleep, eyes shut, somewhere in between sleep and awake. But sometimes you are still dreaming clearly, and the darkness is a sign that you will wake soon. I have always tried to make a dream restart from that place, with all but non-existent success. A lot of FAs occur that way, when you think you are opening your eyes to wake up, you wake into a different dream.

But I finally found a way to make something in the darkness itself. If I travel in a straight line, flying, a tunnel begins to form. It's very vague at first but if you keep going, it will become quite real. It sort of looks like going down a wormhole.

One thing I'm looking for is anyone examples of being able to create anything out of the darkness that is there after a dream ends and you haven't waken up yet, or between dreams.

But I also want to talk about the tunnels. I have managed to make one about 5 times in the past two weeks, I often go into the darkness, as I often "lose" the dream before I wake up. The tunnel does not just form behind you, it also forms in front of you, and then you just follow it. I have once kicked myself out of it to look on from outside, but if you are trying to create a tunnel I think you will find it more appealing to stay in and make it stronger - at least that's why I follow it.

Well today I had an LD, where it was like a first person shooter free for all, and everyone in this tall building was fighting. It was mayhem and havoc, and I went lucid. I made the whole tower collapse to make conclusion to the fighting. To simulate the fall, I remembered what it was like to be on a free-fall ride at an amusement park. And upon hitting the ground, the lights were out, everything was black and this led me to the place I keep calling darkness.

I began to fly in a straight line, looking forward, I stretched my arms forward and straightened my legs behind me to be in total superman position. The tunnel slowly began to form. The past few times I have actually been afraid to get to the end of it, but I'm more familiar with it now. I could also feel myself breathing, or at least thought I could and this comforted me. I decided I was going to go all the way to the end of the tunnel.

What was a white mist-like substance forming at first, the tunnel began to turn harder. It was now more like a mix between white cardboard and plastic, almost plaster-like. Like something you would see used with vents. On and on and on I went. I began to count thinking I could measure how far it went. I only got to about 15 when I had reached the end. Since I think people will find this easy to reproduce they may want to try it before reading this spoiler, discussion continues without the spoiler if you want:
Edit Spoiler alert:===============================

At the end it was twisted the same way a tootsie roll in packaged. Both ends of it were like this. Near the beginning of the tunnel was a place with a hole, and a puddle of water at the bottom, as if someone had broken in there. I went to one end and turned around to go to the other end, I could not push through either end or chip away at the wall at all.

Spolier ==========================================

One thing about these tunnels is I have never waken up while travelling through them, it's like the mind LOVES to go through them during sleep and they are almost a perfect mixture of distraction and movement to keep it happily asleep. Staying in that "In between" state for long is not easy and I think this is a pretty significant thing for people to add to their experiences, if they have never tried it before.

Because I've never been able to do anything in the blackness but move, but if we can create things while there, from scratch it would be a great addition. Now if you simply fly in a straight line (Big edit: WHILE in the in-between state or place, the darkness that follows a dream ending), a tunnel should start to form, please try it! When your dream ends and if you don't immediately wake up, you will find yourself in this blackness. I'd also be interested to know how people first respond to the tunnel. It really seems like "One of those things" that would be pretty universal in dreaming.

**vivedream** · 03-22-2010 09:05 AM

bump

**MythicDreams** · 03-22-2010 11:10 AM

Wow! Very strange. I for one, have never experienced these tunnels or blackness.
But maybe, in your darkness, you believe that you will go down a tunnel, so it happens.

When I sleep, it's either a dream or nothing. I just remember lying down to sleep several hours earlier, like a time-skip.

It would be interesting to get this empty space consciously.

**Novise** · 03-22-2010 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by MythicDreams

Wow! Very strange. I for one, have never experienced these tunnels or blackness.
But maybe, in your darkness, you believe that you will go down a tunnel, so it happens.

When I sleep, it's either a dream or nothing. I just remember lying down to sleep several hours earlier, like a time-skip.

It would be interesting to get this empty space consciously.

Anytime a lucid dream ends abruptly, causing it to go out before you totally wake up, you should find yourself in this place.

Thanks everyone for reading it I know it was long, and thanks for the bump

**Baron Samedi** · 03-23-2010 05:59 AM

Congratulations! You have discovered The Wormhole!

AWESOME! I got chills reading it.

**nina** · 03-23-2010 06:52 AM

I call the blackness the void. I have a part about this in my tutorial about Dream Stabilization (that is still awaiting approval)...which is really interesting because I hadn't seen anyone else suggest linear acceleration before while inside the void. In my tutorial I explain how this can be used to enter a new lucid dream. Basically you start moving forward, accelerating linearly through the darkness, getting faster and faster. Eventually you are flying so fast through the darkness that it breaks the fabric of the void and you will suddenly find yourself entering a bright lucid dreamscape. I have used this quite a few times. One time however...and this was really strange...when I was accelerating through the void...something invisible with strong hands and sharp fingernails grabbed hold of me and would not let go. I had to fight it off all the way back out of the dream and into my bed. Creepy, eh?

**ClearView** · 03-23-2010 02:21 PM

This thread is so interesting. The mind is such a cool thing. If I could chose to trade everything in my life for the full knowledge and capacity of my brain I would do it. It's impossible to understand what would happen if the brain could be explored to it's fullest extent.

Sorry for my rantings, this endless tunnel of void, reminded me of how I once stared down an infinite mirror. Which then reminded me of the mind for some reason

I wan't to explore this void, after I dream I will try to find it.

-CV

**Novise** · 03-23-2010 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Aquanina

I call the blackness the void. I have a part about this in my tutorial about Dream Stabilization (that is still awaiting approval)...which is really interesting because I hadn't seen anyone else suggest linear acceleration before while inside the void. In my tutorial I explain how this can be used to enter a new lucid dream. Basically you start moving forward, accelerating linearly through the darkness, getting faster and faster. Eventually you are flying so fast through the darkness that it breaks the fabric of the void and you will suddenly find yourself entering a bright lucid dreamscape. I have used this quite a few times. One time however...and this was really strange...when I was accelerating through the void...something invisible with strong hands and sharp fingernails grabbed hold of me and would not let go. I had to fight it off all the way back out of the dream and into my bed. Creepy, eh?

That's really cool about breaking the fabric, would love to read your tutorial. I have tried something similar but not exactly like that before actually. Only I curled myself up into a ball and closed my dream body eyes and it was more like flying irregularly or falling, as if I were going to imagine a wall to hit and slam into, causing a dream to happen. That didn't work though.

I have found ways to open my eyes, one time by waving my fingers in front of them, sort of brushing my forehead in a way I saw a man do. As if you are brushing the clouds and dust away from your vision. Sort of like third eye stuff, but I don't have any true third-eye experiences of my own, but this action caused my eyes to open. If you can get them to truly open, it will be another dream. It's like we have many eyes, layers of them.

Anyway this is exactly what I'm talking about! Thanks!

And thanks WakingNomad. I remembered you talking about wormholes before. There is no light at the end of these tunnels though, they look like wormholes but I'm not sure what they are.

Too bad cause I did go lucid last night, but I lost most lucidity towards the end and began to follow a DC and the story. So it's not going to happen everytime I go lucid, and It's not at the top of my list, but if I find myself in the blackness I'll be sure to mess with it some more. And go for more speed, because I was not going that fast before or really trying to, because I was trying to think about and be sure I wanted to get to the end of the tunnel lol. But anyway, great stuff glad you liked it Clearview thanks for letting me know.

**ClearView** · 03-23-2010 04:41 PM

No Problem. Thanks for sharing this with me

I have yet to lucid dream.

-CV

**Armistice** · 03-23-2010 09:20 PM

Interesting

The one LD that I had the best control over it started to wash out (whiteout) then I woke up. I've had poor LD's where I know for a second or 2 that I'm dreaming, but then it like any other dream where it goes to black or w/e

I should really try to pay attention more, but don't quite know how to do that

**juroara** · 03-24-2010 05:54 AM

this sounds insane!

I can only think of one time being in a void. Most of the time my inbetween state is very bright - because the physical sun is shining on my eyes. But, I'll try to remember this the next time I'm in a void!

**Baron Samedi** · 03-24-2010 07:26 AM

I've been in a white void before.

I have also pushed to the edge of a dream-bubble, or universe, or something. There was this black stuff, kind of goopy. I think some tentacles grabbed me, and I go scared, and moved away.

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