Dreaming the future. Is it lucid?

[purple]

I have 3 things to address in the post, hopefully someone can help me out with any of it. Thanks for talking your time to view this also. 1. Ever since I can remember I've been having dreams of 5-15 second clips of the future (I am 20 years old now). It is very different from the feeling of "deju vu" where you feel like you've been somewhere or have done something before. So, if you believe you were witnessing future events, but the dream was not controllable, would it still be considered a lucid dream, or something different? 2. On the next note, I've been having odd lucid dreams (My first really lucid dreams, I should add.) I trigger myself into them by concentrating extremely hard on the thought "When I wake up, I will be dreaming". Surely enough, when I am in the dream I realize it by wondering how I got there. The one thing I always want to do is fly, and I try flying, and I can, but as the dream goes on I seem to lose the power and my flying ability goes from full control, to less, to minimal, to not being able to fly at all anymore. The same thing applies if I do anything else, It's like I am losing control over the dream but I still know I am in it and I know I should be able to control it. Does anyone have tips on how to stay in control, or does it need to just come with the practice and time? I've had 2 lucid dreams like this now... 3. I've seen people on here mentioning an "Above Essence" technique on how to find your guides in a dream, but couldn't find any information on it. Could someone point me in the right direction to see what exactly that is all about? I am very curious as to find my "spiritual guide" or an inter-dimensional spirit or animal in my dream, but I don't know where to start. Unrelated to this, around 8 months ago, I randomly get overwhelmed and my eyes water like I'm crying, usually when I am driving somewhere. Seems to be less than 2 weeks later that a horrible event happens, like hurricane Katrina, and the gulf oil spill. Could this mean anything? I understand there's a great possibility it's just coincidence, it just is so bizarre. Thanks for your time and help everyone. I will continue my journey for answers as I have been. I hope the best to you in all your journeys. I just kinda realized the title I put kinda doesn't fit as a topic to this post in a way, sorry about that. I wish not to discuss the validity of my posts, I know what I believe and what I don't. If what I am saying offends you or you do not believe in this sort of thing, please click off the page.

[Philosopher8659]

Just a note on the Title: Dreaming the future. Is it lucid? Can a dream be or not be lucid? Can one dream the future? Is one lucid if they are not aware that they are not thinking correctly? Lucidity is not only attained while asleep, but while awake also.

[AjWasHere]

If I dream I am walking down a sidewalk and a red car drives by, and later I am walking down a sidewalk in real life and a red car drives by, I have two options. I can say "Gee, I can predict the future!" Or I can say, "Gee, this is just like that dream I had." Just sayin.'

[Philosopher8659]

If you think that time is different from itself, that you have some kind of magic power, then you are not lucid. The future does not exist. However, what is the definition of sentience? What does it mean when we learn of things that do come to pass? Now, you can believe in the impossible, or you can put two and two together and be rational. It was written that someday someone would come along, and solve the riddle of the beast 666. The shutter that turns the past into the future and makes the future come to pass. What is sentience? It is not magic.

[purple]

I know I'm sorry about the title, i stated that at the end of my post Thanks for your time and help everyone. I will continue my journey for answers as I have been. I hope the best to you in all your journeys. I just kinda realized the title I put kinda doesn't fit as a topic to this post in a way, sorry about that. Just a note on the Title: Dreaming the future. Is it lucid? Can a dream be or not be lucid? Can one dream the future? Is one lucid if they are not aware that they are not thinking correctly? Lucidity is not only attained while asleep, but while awake also.

[purple]

If I dream I am walking down a sidewalk and a red car drives by, and later I am walking down a sidewalk in real life and a red car drives by, I have two options. I can say "Gee, I can predict the future!" Or I can say, "Gee, this is just like that dream I had." Just sayin.' And like I said, I know what the difference between "deju vu" and what I've had experiences with. I don't care if you believe me or not...I don't know what your trying to get at with that post besides wasting both our time, I don't mean to be rude, I'm just saying...Nowhere did I say I can predict the future, where are you getting all this? If your cousin dies in a car accident and then it actually happens you "have two options. I can say "Gee, I can predict the future!" Or I can say, "Gee, this is just like that dream I had.""

[purple]

It's like this everywhere I go, everyone always seems I'm trying to make myself seem better than everyone else, all I am asking for is a little help. I don't know what the problem with people these days are...I guess it's on to the next forum, as usual.

[purple]

If you think that time is different from itself, that you have some kind of magic power, then you are not lucid. At the end of my post, I mentioned how the title didn't quite fit. What it's supposed to mean is are you lucid dreaming if your seeing definite future events but not controlling the dream? The future does not exist. However, what is the definition of sentience? What does it mean when we learn of things that do come to pass? How do you know this? If you believe in a forth dimension, it means it does exist. In fact, scientists have said, you can travel forwards in time and not backwards. All you need to do it reach near the speed of light, time drastically slows. I learned that off the science channel, who knows if it's true or not. I believe the future does exist and that's my opinion, I'm not looking for someone to decide what I believe for me. Now, you can believe in the impossible, or you can put two and two together and be rational. If you experienced what I had for as long as I can remember which is at least 15 years, what would you think? It was written that someday someone would come along, and solve the riddle of the beast 666. The shutter that turns the past into the future and makes the future come to pass. What is sentience? It is not magic. I don't know, and really, I don't care. You seem to be missing the point here...

[Philosopher8659]

How do I know the future does not exist. What did you learn in your English class? Is "is" the same as "will be"? If you cannot master the basics of rationality, is the fault anyone elses but your own? If you do not care to understand, why ask the question? Damn. One of us is cetainly missing the point. You, as mind, must predict the results of your behavior--from simple muscle movement to planning your own life. This is the same definition that is used in the Scripture to learn of the Existence of God--because lucid dreaming is aimed at promoting rationality, which you are sorely deficient of at the moment. Ever understand that prophecy and rationality have the same definition? With a set of givens to predict the outcome? Hello world. If you are aware of it, you are being called. It will not be an easy journey.

[purple]

How do I know the future does not exist. What did you learn in your English class? Is "is" the same as "will be"? If you cannot master the basics of rationality, is the fault anyone elses but your own? You learned the future doesn't exist in English class? I must have missed that. "is" and "will be" are apart of human communication, I don't see the correlation between that and time. Fault? No one is at fault here, I am simply asking for some help to answer these questions, if you don't believe me, then why are you posting? Nothing your going to say is going to change what I think by the slightest? You think I'm crazy? I seriously don't care at all... If you do not care to understand, why ask the question? Damn. One of us is cetainly missing the point. Tell me how quote "seeing the future" unquote is understandable, please. You, as mind, must predict the results of your behavior--from simple muscle movement to planning your own life. This is the same definition that is used in the Scripture to learn of the Existence of God--because lucid dreaming is aimed at promoting rationality, which you are sorely deficient of at the moment. Did you not read the part where it says I'm not here to argue, what's with the hostility? That was ONE example of HUNDREDS of experiences I've had. Does it make me better then you, no, not in any way. And who said I believe in god? Your doing exactly what your saying I am, assuming. Ever understand that prophecy and rationality have the same definition? With a set of givens to predict the outcome? Hello world.What does this have to do with anything I even asked? Your trying to tell me I'm wrong and what to believe... Sorry but I am just going to dis-re-guard your posts from now on unless you have something useful to say. Again, I'm not trying to be mean or rude or anything, so if it comes off that way I am sorry, I'm just sick of hearing the same thing over and over. You are not in my shoes. I am being rational. There are no "rules" to rationality. Believe what you wish to believe, half the point of being "free" and claiming "Independence" like most countries celebrate. If your not free to believe what you wish to, then how are you free? If I could think of a rational solution to what I've experienced, I wouldn't be posting here now would I?

[Philosopher8659]

Well, that is better, disregard.

[purple]

Well, that is better, disregard. Will do, like many others I've had to. Do you even realize how hard it is for someone to say that, even online? Do you know I realize I going to immediately be interpreted as crazy, which basically makes it so I cannot talk about this to most people? I have a normal job, work 40 hours a week, have a family, I just your "normal" type of person. I try to find a group of people who could maybe try to understand, and still get completely dis-re guarded. It's not an easy thing to do, but I need to find someone that could help me, I know there has to be someone. I'm sorry for any harshness I may have used, but all I am looking for is help, not an argument... Maybe you could help me with the other questions I had, hopefully you didn't just read that first paragraph and stop and decided to call me irrational before you even got done reading it.

[Philosopher8659]

Let me ask you this. When you negate the foundation of language itself, do you then have any right to use it to think? It is you, not I who have walked away from understanding. I am a single parent of a 9 year old, I work more than 40 a week. And I am 60.

[purple]

Let me ask you this. When you negate the foundation of language itself, do you then have any right to use it to think? It is you, not I who have walked away from understanding. I am a single parent of a 9 year old, I work more than 40 a week. And I am 60. What is that really supposed to mean now? Your saying I neglect the foundation of language itself? How? Hopefully it's not because I typed something wrong or had a misuse of grammar, because obviously you still understood what I was saying, which means I am not mis-using it. If that's not what your question meant, what does it mean? Sorry if I cannot understand your complex use of words. You say I have walked away from understanding, how so? Many things still cannot be explained to this day, it does not mean it does not exist. What is it really that your trying to say here? Just lay it down plain and simple if you want me to understand so badly. And once again, I wasn't trying to sound better than you with the whole working thing, I was simply showing that I am a sane and normal person. I'm sorry you have a 9 year old and still have to work over 40 hours at the age of 60, really I am, I don't mean it in a bad way. But obviously you thought I was trying to be better than you again, even though I clearly wasn't at all, and you tried to compete with how many hours we work? I don't care! I know you don't care how long I work for either! Why fight about it?!

[Philosopher8659]

Why can one or more words be or not be predicated of another? You say you ask for understanding, however, can you answer one of the most basic facts of language? What are the principles by which you examine your own thoughts or the words of others. Fact is, you do not, they have not even been written. Why do you think I am here?

[purple]

Why can one or more words be or not be predicated of another? You say you ask for understanding, however, can you answer one of the most basic facts of language? What are the principles by which you examine your own thoughts or the words of others. Fact is, you do not, they have not even been written. Why do you think I am here? What? What does this have anything to do with what I asked again? Could I answer one of the most basic facts of language? I don't know, I didn't even realize you asked me one if you did. Language has a lot of different meanings, yours of which I cannot understand. What does it have to do with anything anyways? Can you understand all languages? No. What are the principles by which you examine your own thoughts or the words of others? Did you miss this part of the first post? "I am not here to argue with you over if my statements are true or not or anything like that, I am simply looking for someone to talk to, If you don't believe me that's fine, I don't care." What's your principles? When I read your posts my principles are to look for something applying to the question I had asked, none of which I could find. How many times do I have to ask this: What are you trying to get at here? Why are you just trying to argue? THERE IS NOTHING TO UNDERSTAND WHEN IT COMES TO THIS, ITS NOT UNDERSTANDABLE. Hence why I am trying to seek someone who maybe DOES understand some part of it, or has EXPERIENCE with it.

[Philosopher8659]

You see, there is a misunderstanding. I would never desire anyone to talk to, only to talk with. Pardon my intrusion.

[purple]

Really? Your upset because of that? If you understood what I meant, I don't see how I "mis-used" language at all, I accomplished exactly what I was trying to. In order for me to get a useful response in this, you have to at least believe what I am talking about it possible. A lot of people don't, and I understand that, and that's your opinion. I'm still glad you voiced your opinion, however, it's just simply not what I believe. I hope to understand how you feel from your point of view. I think your probably thinking that I am simply taking things way out of hand, and it's only a dream and not possible, or something along those lines. I've debated my own sanity before for even thinking that there is any way for it to happen, and yet I still believe it, have for over 15 years. It's like believing in a "god", it can't be proven, but you still believe for one reason or another. Do you see where I'm coming from? I know I must sound absolutely insane or crazy to most of you, but I really don't think I am, I honestly do believe this, it's been proven in my mind. Sorry for posting this in the general section and not the beyond dream sections too....

[Philosopher8659]

Proofing is simply demonstrating that a statement in a grammar complies with the principles of that grammar. It does not demonstrate reality. Follow my signiture link, and get back with me in about ten years.

[purple]

Well, I'm sorry I didn't proof read a post I made on some random forum, it's not like it counts for anything at all, I mean, am I here to get graded on the accuracy of the language I use, or to look for someone to talk to about this, hmmm. Obviously you understood what I was saying, how much farther could I take it than that? I will save that ten years of time, I think what I know is adequate enough, I couldn't have accomplished more since you completely understood what I was saying, even if I didn't type it right, so maybe instead of studying how to properly communicate, you should study how to properly understand, or else your going to be screwed when someone comes along talking German, let alone English. I men du u undastnd ths sentnece eevn tho im tpying it complettely wrnog? I'm sure you did. By the way, all your doing with directing me to that think is sharing knowledge you've learned from someone else, everything thing I am talking of I have actual and direct experience with (like how I purposely wrote think instead of link, yet you still most likely understood it?), I didn't read it out of some article or book, and I am looking for someone who can relate to that. You need to have direct experience with this to help me, like I said in the first post once again "If any of you know anyone I could talk to who has had similar experiences please let me know" If there was a book called "All about dreaming the future" trust me, I would read it. If I needed the answers you gave me, I'd go to a library.

[Philosopher8659]

Do you know what it means to have a mouth so big it covers your ears? STFU and listen.

[purple]

Oddly enough, I have read and tried to understand everything you have said, complete with responses to every thing you said in quote, and with the up-most politeness, while you sit and talk about things that are totally non-related to what I had originally asked in a hostile manner. What class you have huh? If you really want to get into it, sit back and think about what you really know about this world, it might surprise you, because it's almost nothing, and if you think otherwise, I think your the one who needs another 10 years of reading. Sounds mean, isn't meant to be. We all have our own beliefs, for some reason you think I need to do all of this reading to understand. Take away all your senses, what are you left with then, nothing. What do you believe at that point, when you can't believe what others tell you, what you read, or what you hear, what you smell, what you touch, what you see. You believe what you have direct experiences with, just like I am.

[purple]

Do you know what it means to have a mouth so big it covers your ears? STFU and listen. Oh, my mouth is showing threw the computer screen? Sorry about that.

[Philosopher8659]

I take it that you have never read psychology. The human brain is the slowest system to mature. There are functions of reason that do not mature till about 21 or so, and the mind does not reach stability until about 36. This is when Plato, which even he noticed, that one starts to learn dialectic--reasoning. if you work at it, you might be ready to start communicating in 10 years.

[purple]

And I take it you've read that. How do you know he wasn't lying? Really, how do you know? If I said that our sun is going to blow up in 1 year, you wouldn't believe me, but if NASA said it and it was everywhere on the news globally, you would, lie or not. I've taken psychology classes, built models of brains, not saying I know more or less than you. So how would you reason what I'm going threw since your so experienced and all? Oh, look at that, another moment in time I coincidentally dreamed of x500. That's kinda odd, but totally understandable And I take it they did a survey of more than half the population before they came to that conclusion right? Cuz if they didn't it would be a biased survey. Honestly, I don't see how you can state that, everyone matures differently, and taking the time to observe and make definite conclusions about every single person, and them all not maturing until that age, un-professional and un-likely. The human brain is still well beyond our understanding. We choose how deeply we think about something, which is specific to that moment in time. If you take someone who sits, studies, and thinks in his room all day for 20 years, and one who never goes into any kind of deep thought, whos brain would be more mature? Who knows, although I doubt they would be the same, like the assumption your making. How could you ever possibly monitor how "mature" a brain is?