Thread: oneiroer's workbook

Hey! That's a nice dream. Regardless if it was just a random dream or if you believe it had some spiritual side to it, it is always good to feel better from a dream. Even when we dream, they are still real emotions so it's nice when we see loved ones or people we never really get to see anymore. :3

Had another ld this morning. Sorry I don't remember much but I remember mainly talking to someone I don't remember who.
I had a feeling I could wake up for a second and then get right back to the dream. Is that kinda like dream chaining
but with the same dream...?

Hey congrats on the lucid! If you woke up for a bit then slept again and got lucid, yes that was dream-chaining. It is very common to have the previous dream return, since it is the freshest memory on your mind once you start sleeping again. You may also choose to visualize your own preferred dream scene while falling back asleep in those few seconds, but it would be easier to have the previous dream laid out for you, isn't it? Hehe

Anyway, great job!

Thank you paigeyemps!

Originally Posted by oneiroer

Had another ld this morning. Sorry I don't remember much but I remember mainly talking to someone I don't remember who.
I had a feeling I could wake up for a second and then get right back to the dream. Is that kinda like dream chaining
but with the same dream...?

Congratulations on the LD, oneiroer! Yeah, I agree with Paigey -- definitely dream-chaining. I don't know whether it's related, but sometimes when dream-chaining, early dreams in the sequence can be more difficult to recall than the final dream. Did you wake up from the final LD and immediately file it in your brain and/or write it down? That's the best shot at hanging on to them for the long term.

Nice job! Keep cranking out those LDs.

Actually, I've been neglecting my dream journal lately I guess because I've not had as many dreams as I want. I guess
I've got to have a goal of so many dreams in a week I want to have and focus on that goal and write them down.

Thanks CanisLucidus!

I think I'll have a goal of remembering at least one dream each night/day.

Oh also, when you cant recall anything, write down something like 'none recalled' and perhaps a little note of what you may have been doing before bed, if you slept very late or had some food, etc. this helps you evaluate your attempts and figure oit if there's a common factor affecting them.

Oh yea and when you cant remember anything, try to go over your known dream signs and try to think if they were in your dream. It might help since dream signs are recurring and might have been in your dream that night. That is, if you know your dream signs now or before good luck!

Originally Posted by oneiroer

Actually, I've been neglecting my dream journal lately I guess because I've not had as many dreams as I want. I guess
I've got to have a goal of so many dreams in a week I want to have and focus on that goal and write them down.

Thanks CanisLucidus!

I think I'll have a goal of remembering at least one dream each night/day.

Good luck! This is a great goal. I agree with Paigey that the best approach is to always write something down in your dream journal. Make it something that you expect of yourself upon waking every morning.

Even if all that you write down is a fleeting emotion, there's value in that. You are training yourself to pay attention and grasp onto the dreams that you experienced and be able to reel them back into your waking memory. This takes practice, but those lingering emotional fragments are usually residue from dreams. They are a very basic form of dream recall, so try to get anything down that you can.

And ultimately if you're a complete blank slate, write that down. But I think you'll find that there's usually something left if you hunt for it.

Recall is very trainable! Before I started working on LD, I didn't recall dreams often at all... maybe a couple per month. But just working hard on dream journaling, good practices in the morning, more sleep, and WBTB raised this skill tremendously. You'll be able to do the same thing.

Let us know how you do!

I wrote down no recall this morning and that I had been
listening to music before sleep. Does music before bed
affect dream recall? Also, when I wrote down no recall
I began to remember something about a truck... I'm going to
keep trying your suggestions guys!

I'm not sure about music before bed! Can't say I've heard of it making much difference one way or the other.

"Truck"! Perfect. Write that down. There's often something like that. When you hit flashes like that, try to turn them over in your mind. Was this truck going anywhere? Was I in it? What else do I remember immediately before or after this truck showing up? That sort of thing.

And if you don't hit anything else besides "truck", that's okay too! What matters is training our minds to hold onto dreams by demonstrating that they're important to us and making the effort to recall them.

Sounds like you're doing it right. Keep at it!

I went back to sleep this morning and remembered a little bit from a dream.
I was in some kind of room and someone said thank you I think to
someone for a bunch of small white tickets. I think they were
planning on going somewhere.

Originally Posted by oneiroer

I went back to sleep this morning and remembered a little bit from a dream.
I was in some kind of room and someone said thank you I think to
someone for a bunch of small white tickets. I think they were
planning on going somewhere.

This is perfect. Keep reeling in everything you can from your dream time. Even if it at the moment it doesn't seem like much, keep reaching until you're sure there's nothing else you can grab. Try not to move until you're all the way through this process.

Once you've done that, write it down. And never give up on this practice. Give it a solid try every day, and always get plenty of sleep!

It is definitely something that you can improve with practice.

Will do!

I checked out Sageous's WILD class and started practicing his self awareness practice. I'm
going to try it out this week.

Originally Posted by oneiroer

I checked out Sageous's WILD class and started practicing his self awareness practice. I'm
going to try it out this week.

You know, this self-awareness practice that he recommends is great whether you're interested in WILD or DILD. It's just a great all-around practice, and IMO much more accessible than true "all-day awareness", which is something that to this day still intimidates me.

Sageous has some great class material!

I had what seemed like a long ld this morning. I remember 3 people playing guitar in a row, a monster
looking guy talking, and maybe my dad somewhere in the dream. The dream was bizarre.
If only I didn't have to work maybe I could have dreamed for hours!

Originally Posted by oneiroer

I had what seemed like a long ld this morning. I remember 3 people playing guitar in a row, a monster
looking guy talking, and maybe my dad somewhere in the dream. The dream was bizarre.
If only I didn't have to work maybe I could have dreamed for hours!

Nice, oneiroer, congratulations! It does sound a little bizarre, I'll admit. Very cool though! This sort of thing makes dreams fun.

I know what you mean about how nice it'd be to just sleeeeep in. I've got small children so the only real solution that I've found for this is to go to bed earlier. Easier said than done, though, ha ha...

Thanks for the advice CanisLucidus! I'll have to try that. I can agree easier said than done....

Had a couple of long lucids today. I think Saturday is going to be my favorite ld day cause I get to
sleep in. Anyway don't remember much from the first long lucid, but in the second one I was watching
and even performing in what seemed like a metal band's video. But it also seemed like some sort of ritual
after I sang... A guy started to pat his hands on the front stage and also from where I was looking it looked
like a couple of people were bringing part of a rat somewhere... The room was like medium sized but it was also dark
and lit up with candles I'm pretty sure. Then I looked up at the end of the dream and saw a couple of people
bringing down something from where they were far atop whatever they were standing on. I want to say they were
on a scaffold but I'm not sure what they were on. Then I woke up, but I could have been dreaming this dream longer,
I guess I just got bored of the story or something...

Edit now that I try to remember the first ld: I was trying to wake up from it but it seemed like I couldn't...
Anyone ever feel this way in a dream?

I guess that was a bit too strange of a ld... I guess now I've got to concentrate on nicer dreams...

It's weird how my dreams have been really dark lately. :/

Congratulations on the LDs! I totally agree about sleeping in. That is such a great time to pull down a lucid. A little extra sleep gives you so much great REM, more awareness, and just more chances to catch yourself dreaming. This is particularly true if you wake up at your normal time then go back to sleep for a while.

Then I woke up, but I could have been dreaming this dream longer,
I guess I just got bored of the story or something..

This may just be an opportunity to focus more on controlling the dream and taking it in a direction that you want it to go. If you're bored or upset with what you're seeing, that's a good time to move things toward accomplishing your own lucid goals.

Do you have a couple of major lucid goals that you keep in mind all the time? This is IMO a good thing to do since it makes it much easier to galvanize yourself and take action to change the dream. (It's motivating too.)

Edit now that I try to remember the first ld: I was trying to wake up from it but it seemed like I couldn't...
Anyone ever feel this way in a dream?

The only time that I've intentionally tried to wake up is when I've just accomplished something important and want to immediately wake up to write it down. I've never had any trouble so far. If I want to wake up, it usually happens very quickly. You may want to try just thinking about nothing but your physical body lying in bed. That's usually a mistake that I make which causes me to wake up too soon.

Do you remember why you wanted to wake up?

Originally Posted by CanisLucidus

Congratulations on the LDs! I totally agree about sleeping in. That is such a great time to pull down a lucid. A little extra sleep gives you so much great REM, more awareness, and just more chances to catch yourself dreaming. This is particularly true if you wake up at your normal time then go back to sleep for a while.



This may just be an opportunity to focus more on controlling the dream and taking it in a direction that you want it to go. If you're bored or upset with what you're seeing, that's a good time to move things toward accomplishing your own lucid goals.

Do you have a couple of major lucid goals that you keep in mind all the time? This is IMO a good thing to do since it makes it much easier to galvanize yourself and take action to change the dream. (It's motivating too.)



The only time that I've intentionally tried to wake up is when I've just accomplished something important and want to immediately wake up to write it down. I've never had any trouble so far. If I want to wake up, it usually happens very quickly. You may want to try just thinking about nothing but your physical body lying in bed. That's usually a mistake that I make which causes me to wake up too soon.

Do you remember why you wanted to wake up?

I don't have any current goals. I'm going to think of them and work on my dream recall again. I started reading up on some
Stephan Laberge and I think I'm at square 1 again... I don't remember why I woke up. The dream situation was probably
uncomfortable... Speaking of motivation, I thought I'd try something out. I thought I'd accumulate over time a bunch
of songs related to lucid dreams and/or oobe's and listen to them for motivation! Good idea maybe? Sorry I took so
long to answer you back CanisLucidus. And thanks! I like metal music and found a couple of songs a while back
Asttronomicon and Astral Body...

Even though going back to basics feels like starting from square one, it really isn't. Whenever I'm trying to fix something in my lucid dreaming practice, I always return to the basics.

You're doing exactly the right thing. Everyone who gets really good at a skill always knows the basics cold. The fundamentals are what really matter.

Cool idea about the music! I had no idea that there were lucid dream and/or OBE-related songs of any kind! I don't know much about metal so I had no idea that kind of stuff existed. Very cool! I'll have to look these up some time and check out the lyrics...

Thanks again CanisLucidus. My favorite song out of the 2 is Astronomicon. My fav lyric part is "This is a dream and yet it's not" and "Deep inside every mind a universe resides"...