Thread: oneiroer's workbook

Originally Posted by oneiroer

I attempted a WBTB. I set my alarm 4 and
a half hours aftter I fell asleep.
Good news is I remembered a dream once
again bad news I think I'm just going to stay
up cause I'm going to be busy in a few hours.

So did you have trouble falling back asleep? One piece of advice I can give there is to not allow yourself to think of any waking life concerns whatsoever while falling asleep or during WBTB. Those tend to bring on insomnia for a lot of people.

I prefer to either spend the time incubating reading a book, meditating quietly, playing a low-key computer or phone game like Myst, incubating the next dream, enjoying hypnagogic imagery, etc. That keeps things nice and relaxing.

Good luck on your next attempt!

actually i decided to stay up. this night i had a lucid
dream but i dont remember it. i think what
triggered it was 2 cups of coffee before bed and
writing no recall in my journal for yesterday. i had
trouble getting to sleep and went to bed around
1am and i woke up from the dream at about 3am.
i thought that was strange but cool. im going
to see if i can have and hopefully remember
any more dreams tonight.

Good luck. Are you going to take some coffee before bed again? Or what approach are you planning?

thanks paigeyemps. im out of coffee at the
moment but im planning on a wake
back to bed. i cant do it tonight but i will
try it soon.

Just a quick update I have coffee again. I'm
going to have 2 cups again tonight, try a
wake back to bed and I also got a book
light for my journal.

Sorry I haven't been on very much lately. I really need a new computer. My computer screen is cracked very badly...
I'll try to update my progress soon. Haven't had much luck remembering dreams lately. But
tonight I'm definitely trying a WBTB!

Yes! I had some success with the WBTB. I was lucid for a little bit and remember just a little.
I remember being somewhere I don't recognize, which seems to be every dream I get lucid...
I remember thinking about my mom. Then I was on a street and it was dark outside.
Then this person with long hair came walking down the street. This scene was kinda
funny cause I kept on trying to talk to the person but they wouldn't talk to me. Then I said
you're boring and I woke up... Finally a WBTB that worked at least for a little bit!

Edit I wonder, is it possible to have multiple
wake back to beds? would that kinda be like
dream chaining?

Congratulations on the lucid dream! It sounds to me like being in unfamiliar places could be a good dreamsign for you, one you are perhaps already taking advantage of quite well (considering how often this is where your LDs end up.)

If you can remember the details of the WBTB timing and how long you stayed up, note them all down! This'll help you zero in on what works best for you.

Originally Posted by oneiroer

Edit I wonder, is it possible to have multiple
wake back to beds? would that kinda be like
dream chaining?

While this is too much for me personally, I know that some people LD by waking up several times throughout the night, sometimes using multiple alarms to DEILD like crazy. I usually have a main WBTB and if I wake from a dream that was very memorable (especially a lucid) I usually get up long enough to write it down, then go back to bed. So in that sense I will sort of do multiples. It can be demanding to do several of them, but it's worth it to write down lucid dreams as soon as possible.

Thanks CanisLucidus! I'm trying another WBTB as I write this.
I woke up from a dream and I woke up earlier than expected...
My question for you is, if I want to dream about say flying, how
would I incubate that before I fall asleep again? Would I just think
about that until I fall asleep?

Originally Posted by oneiroer

Thanks CanisLucidus! I'm trying another WBTB as I write this.
I woke up from a dream and I woke up earlier than expected...
My question for you is, if I want to dream about say flying, how
would I incubate that before I fall asleep again? Would I just think
about that until I fall asleep?

Good, hope the WBTB paid off!

I'm only a so-so dream incubator myself, so I'd say that you have the right idea. I would say that the best approach I've found is like the one NewArtemis uses... basically just visualize a continuous, relaxing scene that contains what you want to dream about. Make it something peaceful and relaxing and try to lose yourself in it.

FWIW, dream incubation has always been hit or miss for me so don't set beat yourself up if it takes several tries for something to stick. It can be a bit elusive! Good luck!

Just had a pretty cool lucid from a nap. I saw a bunch of wild animals like lions and black panthers.
I think I made them jump off a cliff but then I was an observer watching them fight. I mainly remember the black panther for some reason.

Edit: I forgot to mention I was looking up at the animals from below somewhere
and they were really high up.

Also, before this dream I became lucid a couple of times but I had trouble moving.
I thought that was kinda scary.

Hey congratulations! As for the moving problem, you can try other dream control approaches such as pressing a magic button, or snapping your hands imagining that would fix it, you may also 'wait it out' for a few seconds imagining it will wear off right away.

Thanks paigeyemps! I'll try those next time I'm stuck. I think it also might have been because I was sleeping on my arm and it felt numb when I woke up. Maybe I'll try sleeping on my back when I go to sleep from now on.

Great, it's a huge deal to sleep in a comfortable position. Pillows everywhere is nice

Originally Posted by oneiroer

Just had a pretty cool lucid from a nap. I saw a bunch of wild animals like lions and black panthers.
I think I made them jump off a cliff but then I was an observer watching them fight. I mainly remember the black panther for some reason.

Edit: I forgot to mention I was looking up at the animals from below somewhere
and they were really high up.

Also, before this dream I became lucid a couple of times but I had trouble moving.
I thought that was kinda scary.

Nice, man, congratulations on the lucid! The animals sound cool. So it was almost like you were observing from the bottom of the cliff, huh, and they were jumping down to your observation point?

The trouble moving thing has happened to me very, very occasionally. Twice that I can think of in all of my LDs. I wouldn't worry about it too much since it may not reoccur any time soon.

Paige's suggestions are good. Another fundamental one that I would recommend is to simply ignore the problem entirely and imagine that you're moving exactly how you want. Just ignore the problem. Forget about it. Pretend you're already moving. You'd be surprised how well denial can work here.

I feel i havnt had much sucess lately. But a night
or two ago I felt I was dreaming a lot. I'm
going to change my goals with lucid dreaming
when i get to a computer... My main goal will
be using my lds as a gateway to writing
fiction storys. I'm trying to learn to write from books
and I've got an idea for a horror story from one
of my lds.

That's great, oneiroer! I love the idea of using lucid dreaming for creativity. I think this is a great thing to try.

Research has shown that when creative people (musicians in the experiments I'm familiar with), the portion of their brain responsible for inhibition is much less active than in its typical mode of operation. The same is true in dreams. So you are in an ideal frame of mind for creative work when you're dreaming!

I'm looking forward to hearing how this goes for you!

Thanks CanisLucidus.

I have updated my goals whoever cares to read them again...

Goals look good! You just can't go wrong focusing on improving recall. Recall is the bedrock of any dream work and bringing that up is bound to help in so many ways.

Let us know how the OBE training goes!

Thanks again CanisLucidus. I will.

My dream recall has increased from the training so far. In the book it has me
doing affirmations as part of it. One of the affirmations is Each morning I
faithfully write dream keywords in my notebook. I repeated that plus a
couple more last night before sleep and I actually woke up a a couple of times
and remembered dreams. At first I barely remembered them, but in
one I saw my ex girlfriend. and I think I partially got lucid. I wrote about 6
keywords.

Good stuff, oneiroer! Congratulations on the improved recall. It sounds like the affirmations are already getting you in the perfect frame of mind. It's great to see you getting good results so quickly!

My dream recall came back last night, too, so yay us.

Great CanisLucidus! Thanks.

I couldn't sleep very much last night but when I did I was bombarded (maybe not the best word... ) with partial
lucids. The two that stood out were I felt as if someone was with me perhaps a guide or something...
and in one lucid I was thinking telekinesis but what I remember doing was guiding a cup of water along my
arms back and forth.