Thread: TheBigZ Workbook

Originally Posted by TheBigZ

So sorry about the late reply ive had a crazy busy day

I actually havent heard about the anchor that can be used would you be able to explain more about it?

When you WILD, you start going into that state where your body and mind start to fall asleep, and the goal is to let the body do so but not the mind. To help keep that from happening, you can use an anchor, which is something you passively keep track of to keep your mind from wandering off and slipping into the dream normally. Among the common ones are focusing on your breath, counting, listening to white noise, etc.

Originally Posted by paigeyemps

When you WILD, you start going into that state where your body and mind start to fall asleep, and the goal is to let the body do so but not the mind. To help keep that from happening, you can use an anchor, which is something you passively keep track of to keep your mind from wandering off and slipping into the dream normally. Among the common ones are focusing on your breath, counting, listening to white noise, etc.

Ahh damn i didnt do that explains a lot i think the counting one would be most efficient for me definately going to
give it ago this saturday as thats the only day i can practise it

Originally Posted by TheBigZ

Ahh damn i didnt do that explains a lot i think the counting one would be most efficient for me definately going to
give it ago this saturday as thats the only day i can practise it

UPDATE: i tryed a WILD this week i woke up at 6:00 fell asleep around 12 i got up went bathroom and read over my dream journal i then lied down and began counting i came to a stage where i felt the vibration that tells your mind to fall asleep shoot up into my brain and thought i was near i continued counting in my mind then images began to appear infront of me and i was feeling even closer then i began feeling a tingly feeling cover my body then unfortunately it felt like it was fading then i believe i fell asleep i definately went furthur then i did before which is pretty awesome

Oh dang you sound like you're really really close to WILD!!

I remember last year I hit a snag when I got to the vibrations stage. So what I did was once I felt those vibrations and the images started to appear (like they did after you continued counting), I slowly opened my eyes after a couple seconds. I ended up seeing my room, but things were really off. So basically I had started the dream, so I just slowly got out of bed and did a couple RCs and boom! That confirmed it was a dream.

When I do it this way, it's easy to think I'm waking up for real and have an FA on accident, since the scene is usually my bedroom when I do this. But there will usually be something out of place, or you'll just "feel" that it's a dream. Especially since you're focused on it anyway.

Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue

Oh dang you sound like you're really really close to WILD!!

I remember last year I hit a snag when I got to the vibrations stage. So what I did was once I felt those vibrations and the images started to appear (like they did after you continued counting), I slowly opened my eyes after a couple seconds. I ended up seeing my room, but things were really off. So basically I had started the dream, so I just slowly got out of bed and did a couple RCs and boom! That confirmed it was a dream.

When I do it this way, it's easy to think I'm waking up for real and have an FA on accident, since the scene is usually my bedroom when I do this. But there will usually be something out of place, or you'll just "feel" that it's a dream. Especially since you're focused on it anyway.

Almost there!

but by opening my eyes wouldn't that awaken me? i never knew you could actually open your eyes during a WILD

i have been a bit lazy with my RC's lately so ill definitely start to incorporate them back into my day starting from tomorrow

Havent been updateing lately been pretty busy with homework and stuff from school mid-year exams are definately pulling up fast!

UPDATE: i still am doing my RC's on a consistant daily basis but i have changed my technique i used to sit and analyse my hands but i now count my fingers during the day and before bed and then think vividly of me counting my fingers within a dream. i actually had 2 pretty clear dreams in a row that i remembered with ease which is a pretty good thing so i can definately say ive improved my dream recall. Im practiseing my WILDing skils as much as possible and feel as if im getting closer and closer to my task of successfully completeing a WILD properly unfortunately i cant WILD on a daily basis and have to wait untill weekend which is definately a major obstacle as it does not allow for the more practise i would like

-TheBigZ

Hey, good job at consistency. I too had problems with WILD attempts when I had classes, so on weekdays I'd do MILD or DEILD and reserved WILDS for weekends. I would also suggest not just practicing reality checks, but also reinforcing and planning out/visualizing your lucid goals.

Originally Posted by paigeyemps

Hey, good job at consistency. I too had problems with WILD attempts when I had classes, so on weekdays I'd do MILD or DEILD and reserved WILDS for weekends. I would also suggest not just practicing reality checks, but also reinforcing and planning out/visualizing your lucid goals.

Hey paige!
Havent seen you around here in agers i definately need to start planning what i wish to do in my dreams its friday tommorrow so i shall dedicate the night to writeing up a decent strong plan to work off to assist me with my lucidity thank you for yet another helpful comment

Originally Posted by TheBigZ

Hey paige!
Havent seen you around here in agers i definately need to start planning what i wish to do in my dreams its friday tommorrow so i shall dedicate the night to writeing up a decent strong plan to work off to assist me with my lucidity thank you for yet another helpful comment

Ah awesome! Let me know how it goes. Also, yeah, I've been MIA on the forums for a bit, went on a vacation, but I'm back now

Originally Posted by paigeyemps

Ah awesome! Let me know how it goes. Also, yeah, I've been MIA on the forums for a bit, went on a vacation, but I'm back now

Oh thats really awesome where did you go? If you dont mind me asking that is

UPDATE: Im Attempting 2 WILDS this weekend and a few questions have come to mind i read in one tutorial that useing your phone was a big no no but if i used my phone to read up and remember some WILD techniques would that still count as being forbidden? :S and also ive noticed whilst WILDING in my older attempts i begin counting then will reach about 60 but then i can no longer keep track of numbers as i feel sleepy and fall away into sleep how would i be able to combat this?
I havent unfortunately gotten the chance to write out my lucid goals so i will free up sometime put my mind to it and write myself a decent plan

There are no set rules with any technique. It's not exactly 'forbidden', it's just that for most people, it has an undesired effect. But it's always different for everyone, and the best way to know what works is to try everything. As for the electronics usage, the main reason (i think) is the exposure to light. See, when we are exposed to light, our body immediately decreases production of melatonin, which is the chemical that naturally makes us sleepy. This is why we naturally feel sleepier at night, since we are less exposed to light so melatonin increases, and we feel sleepier. Anyway, even I use electronics during WBTB, i just make sure to keep the brightness really low, and avoid turning on any other light sources in the house. This is true for many other lucid dreamers, so don't be afraid to try it as it may not even ruin your attempts. The worst that could happen is that it will keep you up, but then you'd learn not to do it next time. Win-win. Plus, using that WBTB time to read about lucid stuff could potentially help get you into the right mindset.

Regarding the counting and drifting off, i would suggest using another WILD anchor—perhaps white noise, breathing, mantras, or visualization, whichever you prefer. Some anchors work better so it's best to try them out and see which suits you and helps you stay aware more.

Lastly, my vacatiooon... Well I went to this other island in my country, it's called Palawan. You can do a quick google images search to see what it looks like (ignore the blue people that show up in the results lol)

Originally Posted by paigeyemps

There are no set rules with any technique. It's not exactly 'forbidden', it's just that for most people, it has an undesired effect. But it's always different for everyone, and the best way to know what works is to try everything. As for the electronics usage, the main reason (i think) is the exposure to light. See, when we are exposed to light, our body immediately decreases production of melatonin, which is the chemical that naturally makes us sleepy. This is why we naturally feel sleepier at night, since we are less exposed to light so melatonin increases, and we feel sleepier. Anyway, even I use electronics during WBTB, i just make sure to keep the brightness really low, and avoid turning on any other light sources in the house. This is true for many other lucid dreamers, so don't be afraid to try it as it may not even ruin your attempts. The worst that could happen is that it will keep you up, but then you'd learn not to do it next time. Win-win. Plus, using that WBTB time to read about lucid stuff could potentially help get you into the right mindset.

Regarding the counting and drifting off, i would suggest using another WILD anchor—perhaps white noise, breathing, mantras, or visualization, whichever you prefer. Some anchors work better so it's best to try them out and see which suits you and helps you stay aware more.

Lastly, my vacatiooon... Well I went to this other island in my country, it's called Palawan. You can do a quick google images search to see what it looks like (ignore the blue people that show up in the results lol)

That island looks so awesome would of definately been a nice as place to visit

UPDATE: (Sorry this is a bit long)
before bed i watched a few episodes of Everybody Loves Raymond ( i know this is random but it links to something strange that occured while i was WILDING )
My alarm rang at exactly 5:00 i woke up sat down had a think then began to read lucid dream tutorials on my phone i placed it down and had a breather in the dark then i went to the bathroom and splashed my face in cold water i then went to bed got warm and lied on my back i then began to say my mantra 'i become aware in dreams' over and over and counted here and there now heres where it gets wearid i begin seeing images the images construct a scene i see a famly ive never seen before watching a tv with no signal static suddenly the scene in front of my eyes turns into a scene off Raymond i hear voices and the charcters are saying 'yeah i lucid dream but i stopped because all i could dream about was your damn mother' i then heard a audience laughing suddenly to my shock i felt intense vibrations the scene faded and i said to myself 'relax dont think about your body this will pass' suddenly i felt a strong vibration reach up and shock me awake to the point i was upright in bed so from this i ask did i do anything wrong? Why was i unable to stay through the vibrations? After this i went to sleep normally and actually had 2 pretty vivid clear dreams with a good structure so thats pretty cool

Oohh nice! No, you did well. You were starting to dream already, your body was falling asleep and you were still aware so you noticed the transition and vibrations. You may have hallucinations which can be visual, auditory, tactile, etc. and the forces you felt were most probably tactile hallucinations (those that are felt). These are all normal and nothing to worry about. Next time it happens, just focus on the dream and visualize it, and remind yourself that you are going into the dream. It just takes time and practice before you get the hang of it but it was a very nice attempt

Originally Posted by paigeyemps

Oohh nice! No, you did well. You were starting to dream already, your body was falling asleep and you were still aware so you noticed the transition and vibrations. You may have hallucinations which can be visual, auditory, tactile, etc. and the forces you felt were most probably tactile hallucinations (those that are felt). These are all normal and nothing to worry about. Next time it happens, just focus on the dream and visualize it, and remind yourself that you are going into the dream. It just takes time and practice before you get the hang of it but it was a very nice attempt

Oh that is awesome to hear!

How can i visualise the dream? Is it a command type thing ?
Also im not going to lie but i am a bit scared of sleep paraylsis i know i shouldnt be but i cant help but hold some sort of fear towards the hallucinations i think this fear would wear off over time which means i definately need more practise!

Originally Posted by TheBigZ

Oh that is awesome to hear!

How can i visualise the dream? Is it a command type thing ?
Also im not going to lie but i am a bit scared of sleep paraylsis i know i shouldnt be but i cant help but hold some sort of fear towards the hallucinations i think this fear would wear off over time which means i definately need more practise!

Not sure what you mean by 'command type thing' but basically you just stay daydreaming the scene you want to happen, or if you're starting to see images, use them and add more content with your imagination to make the dream form faster.

As for the sleep paralysis, don't worry. The things you feel/see/hear in your wild attempt is NOT sleep paralysis even they are normal bodily sensations as your body is falling asleep. True sleep paralysis cannot be induced, it is a medical condition wherein you body *naturally* dysfunctions when it comes to your REM atonia. That is, if you already wake up but your REM atonia doesn't wear off when it should. Some sensations may be similar with WILD since you are getting into REM atonia while aware, but you shouldn't worry about it. also, if you do get hallucination (which some people dont), you are not gonna be physically hurt. You can also try playing around wi the hallucinations and maybe turn them into something much more pleasant with your mind and imagination. Example: you see spiders, you can imagine them turning into butterflies, and they can indeed turn into butterflies. Just like normal dream control. Basically, when you hallucinate, it's just your dreaming mind being projected into the physical world, so you may control it too.

Originally Posted by paigeyemps

Not sure what you mean by 'command type thing' but basically you just stay daydreaming the scene you want to happen, or if you're starting to see images, use them and add more content with your imagination to make the dream form faster.

As for the sleep paralysis, don't worry. The things you feel/see/hear in your wild attempt is NOT sleep paralysis even they are normal bodily sensations as your body is falling asleep. True sleep paralysis cannot be induced, it is a medical condition wherein you body *naturally* dysfunctions when it comes to your REM atonia. That is, if you already wake up but your REM atonia doesn't wear off when it should. Some sensations may be similar with WILD since you are getting into REM atonia while aware, but you shouldn't worry about it. also, if you do get hallucination (which some people dont), you are not gonna be physically hurt. You can also try playing around wi the hallucinations and maybe turn them into something much more pleasant with your mind and imagination. Example: you see spiders, you can imagine them turning into butterflies, and they can indeed turn into butterflies. Just like normal dream control. Basically, when you hallucinate, it's just your dreaming mind being projected into the physical world, so you may control it too.

I meant say the images were forming in front of me would i do a mental command and say something like 'i am there' or 'put me there' or is it like a visualisation type thing but your answer cleared that up for me

Also oh thats great i never knew hallucinations were possible to control i definately look forward to WILDING this saturday also whats the difference between REM and REM atonia? I also picked up a dream book recently so i ask could reading that over before bed let my mind know whats significant to me at the moment

whats the difference between REM and REM atonia?

REM (rapid eye movement) is one of the phases of sleep where we experience the most vivid dreams. REM Atonia refers to the natural body paralysis which happens during the REM phase. Without REM atonia, we'd be acting out our dreams! People who have abnormalities with this are the ones who sleepwalk or sleeptalk, etc.

could reading that over before bed let my mind know whats significant to me at the moment

Sure, reading dreaming/lding books before bed really help put you in that proper mindset.

Have a nice day~

Originally Posted by paigeyemps

REM (rapid eye movement) is one of the phases of sleep where we experience the most vivid dreams. REM Atonia refers to the natural body paralysis which happens during the REM phase. Without REM atonia, we'd be acting out our dreams! People who have abnormalities with this are the ones who sleepwalk or sleeptalk, etc.


Sure, reading dreaming/lding books before bed really help put you in that proper mindset.

Have a nice day~

The world of dreaming is truly an amazing place thank you very much for your help and tips

Update: Lucid dreaming has unfortunately taken the back burner for now as i am going through a bit of a rough time atm i have continued with recall however and have actually been haveing a good amount of dreams that i am able to recall daily i hope to get back into the groove of RC's and my weekend WILDS soon

Hey TheBigZ, no worries. Real life responsibilities are top priority. I would suggest keeping up the recall though as well as simple reality checks like wondering if you're dreaming or not, so when you come back, you won't have to start from scratch i wish you the best~

Update: unfortunately rough times have occured in my life but i have Accepted and acknowledged that times need to go on so with this i am offcially annouceing my return back to lucid dreaming i am pumped and excited for the next half year and hope i can achieve my dream goal of 2013 which is to experience enjoy and remember a lucid dream i will be updateing here again on a daily basis

That's awesome! Welcome back, I am looking forward to sharing and talking about our experiences. ~

Originally Posted by paigeyemps

That's awesome! Welcome back, I am looking forward to sharing and talking about our experiences. ~

Hey Paige
Thank you very much i look very forward to a fresh new take on lucid dreaming so far im just journalling studying dream signs and setting new goals im much more confident on reaching lucidity

UPDATE: My recall is increasingly getting better by the day and i am filling my dream journal with dreams almost everyday i feel significant improvements and progression