No success after multiple nights

**biglight** · 08-09-2010 07:52 PM

Hi, I'm new to lucid dreaming and like most beginners I'm having difficulties.
I've read through the lucidology.com methods for SP and lucid dreaming and I have watched all of the 101 videos as well. I've also read through the tutorials on this site.

My first night I attempted to induce SP using the stop, drop, and roll method, but I never felt the "roll over" signal and just fell asleep. I set an alarm for 4:30, woke up then tried again with the same results. I did a reality check in one dream, but for some reason it wasn't an actual reality check, I just thought it was and then determined that the dream was real.

My second night I did the same thing, except I stayed up for about 10 minutes, then went back to bed, nothing. I had one dream, but I didn't do a reality check.

My third night I fell asleep without attempting SP, then woke up at 5:30 and spent some time awake, then as I went back to bed I repeatedly thought to myself "I will become aware in my dream", but my phone rang at 6:30 and 7:00 waking me up again.

My fourth night my phone died in the night so the alarm didn't go off. I had three dreams that I can remember before 9:00 and then another after that (which I can remember pretty well), but I didn't do a reality check or become lucid in any of them.

I've been keeping a dream journal and doing reality checks throughout the day. Every time I try to induce SP I completely relax, sleep breathe, and roll my eyes to minimize micromovements, but I don't feel anything and just fall asleep. I plan on trying the timer method tonight, but maybe I'm doing something completely wrong. Any ideas?

**XeL** · 08-09-2010 08:03 PM

First of all,

to DV!

I did a reality check in one dream, but for some reason it wasn't an actual reality check, I just thought it was and then determined that the dream was real.

This is a typical mistake. It's extremely important that you reality check in the right when you're awake. If you simply count your fingers once, get to 10 and then forget about it, well then of course the exact same thing will happen in your dreams!

When you perform a reality check you should always take your time. Don't just go through the body motion! Look around you and become aware of your surroundings. Where am I? Where was I 5 minutes ago? Does this scenario make sense? Who are these people around me? Should they be here? You want this to be a dream, you just have to find something out of the ordinary. Perform the reality check over and over again with full awareness. Expect the RC to go through! Imagine it working (because this is exactly what you want once you're in a dream).

This is a common mistake, but if you put more effort and awareness into your RCs, it'll pass on to your nightly adventures! As for the WILD part, I'm clueless, I've never been good at WILD myself.

Best of luck!

**Raspberry** · 08-09-2010 08:11 PM

No you're not doing anything wrong (or at least that I can see, and XeL's already said stuff about RCing

)

But remember that you have to be really patient because success varies from person to person. I got my first LD in a few days (although it wasn't a totally clear, full-blown one) and then another one a week after that. Some people take several weeks. Just remember that it's all worth it in the end and if you start to lose patience or motivation then we're all here to help

WILDing is pretty hard to get a grasp of so keep up with the RCing and DJing because it helps to produce more DILDs

Good luck and sweet dreams

**biglight** · 08-10-2010 05:50 PM

I set my alarm for 6:30 again last night, woke up, did an thorough RC, and then went back to bed. I tried to remember if I had dreamed as soon as I woke up, but I couldn't think of anything. My other alarm woke me up at 9:30 and I pressed snooze a couple of times before turning it off at about 10:15. After this was when I had a very long dream that I could remember. The situation was the same last night. Does this mean that 10:00 is the time that I dream most? Or that I shouldn't bother waking up at 6:00 and just try at 10:00?

**zhineTech** · 08-10-2010 06:56 PM

welcome.

be patient, it is a new skill and four days is not very long, i have been doing this four months and had about five LDs in that time. the fact that you managed to even think of doing a reality check in a dream is a good sign.

people generally sleep 5-6 hours before doing the WBTB thing, same w/ WILDing, but its different for everyone.

**Raspberry** · 08-10-2010 06:58 PM

Dreams depend on your REM cycles (Rapid Eye Movement), this is the stage where you dream. The first REM cycle lasts only a short time, and then you repeat the earlier stages of sleep until you reach another REM cycle. Each time this happens the REM period gets longer, this will be why you got a long dream at 10

The REM cycle would have been longer than the one around 6:30. That's why people who try to WILD sleep for a few hours first, so they can go straight into a REM period, it's much easier.

Hope you're making progress

**Erii** · 08-10-2010 07:15 PM

you're not doing anything wrong, it takes some time, it's good you're trying new methods

a good method is s DEILD (dream exit induced lucid dream) and other variations of it.
(this might take a few nights, or not)
so, this method I'm going to link you to, is like a DEILD, but not, it is a good technique http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/**craz...rial-**-87710/

hope I helped, good luck!

**biglight** · 09-13-2010 02:44 AM

Since school started I haven't really been trying to get lucid dreams, but last night I had my first one!

I was in a room about 30 x 30 x 30 feet with square mattresses on the ceiling and floor. As I felt gravity slowly go away, I pinched my nose and was still able to breath. Realizing that I was dreaming, I flew around the room for a few minutes. When I felt the dream slipping away, I spun around and I remained lucid for a few more minutes. I woke up in another dream, and then woke up for real. I did an RC before bed like every night, but I didn't do anything else to induce lucidity. Are lucid dreams within regular dreams common?

**Raetin** · 09-13-2010 03:18 AM

Your getting a lot of progress already in four days, I'm just starting to recall my dreams now and it been like a year! But then again I stopped trying for a few months then started again then stopped. I'm going all the way this time. Good Luck!

**Serenity** · 09-13-2010 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by biglight

Since school started I haven't really been trying to get lucid dreams, but last night I had my first one!

I was in a room about 30 x 30 x 30 feet with square mattresses on the ceiling and floor. As I felt gravity slowly go away, I pinched my nose and was still able to breath. Realizing that I was dreaming, I flew around the room for a few minutes. When I felt the dream slipping away, I spun around and I remained lucid for a few more minutes. I woke up in another dream, and then woke up for real. I did an RC before bed like every night, but I didn't do anything else to induce lucidity. Are lucid dreams within regular dreams common?

Sounds like when you "woke up" from your lucid dream, you had a false awakening. They're more common than you think

In fact, it's good practice to reality check every time you wake up, but especially after having a LD

Good job on the LD!!