Thread: Hello everyone.What am I doing wrong?

Well, you have the theory right, but your trying to hard. AND, it isn't something that you get right away, it takes time and practice before you will have a WILD. Let's break it down.

1: The only difference between normal dreaming and WILD dreaming is that you remain conscious.
2: Everything else happens automatically, you just have to relax your body and mind utterly and wait patiently.

Now, REM arises after a period of sleep. You have to somehow let your mind sleep while you remain aware. It is like balancing right on the edge of awareness. It is like having one foot in lucidity and the other in sleep. You may even drift off. In fact you have to let part of your mind drift off to sleep while maybe just the rhythm of your breathing is in your awareness, or your visualization. However, the act of visualization may be too much effort and not allow your mind to relax enough. You really have to go "way out there".

You may even find that you drift off for a moment or two and then you realize that you were just watching a scene unfold in faint dream images, but that realization wakes you back up. Let yourself keep dipping back and forth between these two states. I see it as a wave that the crest is awareness and the trough is sleep and dreaming. Then through breathing and meditation I try to flatten the wave and lengthen the wavelengths. These are like brainwaves.

You cannot "make" the vibrations happen or can't even expect them to. No expectations. You have to enjoy the present moment and dwell lucidly in the present moment, just like you do in normal sleep but you keep awareness. If you are trying to do something or expecting for something to happen and looking into the future, your mind won't be relaxed enough. You just need to sleep, but with awareness.

The first time I got a result I did actually drift off but immediately came to and realized that there was someone in my room chanting. I thought that it was real so I got up to check it out and actually lost that chance. The first time I actually had success was when I had been practicing a lot but this time I just went to sleep normally. But that night I just woke up for no reason but I didn't move. My body was sleeping. I then began listening to this bird chirping outside my window. Then more birds were chirping. I then realized that it was in the middle of the night and the birds were all sleeping also. The birds got so loud that it was like a jungle through surround sound hi-fi stereo turned up to 11. It was in my ears also! Then I felt like I was on a roller coaster. That is what the vibrations feel like to me. It is like I am on a rollercoaster or on a rocket falling through the sky with turbulence. At the same time I knew my body was just lying in bed super still. It was so much fun I loved it! Then it ended and I was still lying there in bed and there were no more birds. I didn't know if I lost my chance so I sat up out of bed, pushed the covers off of me and stepped out onto the floor. But I sank into the floor as if it were quicksand! I looked back and saw my body sleeping in bed with the cat curled up at the foot. I stepped up onto the floor and I flew slowly around my house and then I walked through the wall and flew around outside.

But this came after a month or two or three of trying. But the whole process was fun and enjoyable. Now I am able to do it once or twice a week and I go all over the place and all kinds of places.

3. I never know if I am in paralysis or not because I don't even try to move. I don't try to even move my "astral" or "etheric" or "spiritual" arms or legs. I just gently and slowly start visualizing another me doing something completely different. I watch myself as if I am watching someone else or a movie, maybe walking up an infinite spiral staircase very slow. When the visualization becomes strong enough ON ITS OWN, I transfer into first person mode. I then listen to the sound in my ears as this is happening.

SO, I don't try to do anything, I encourage it to happen on its own. I enjoy every step of the process and every state of consciousness even if it doesn't pay off with a successful WILD.

4. If I am very close to the dream state but I can't quite get it and then it seems the opportunity has slipped away, that is because I am in a cycle of sleep and am leaving the REM part of the cycle (even if I wasn't successful at REM) and entering the deeper phase of sleep. In normal sleep this would be the time that you roll over. I also do this because the numbness gets to be too much and distracting so it is important that I roll over so that I can relax deeply and deeply again.


I came up with this method that works for me just by practice and experimentation. Before I was successful I thought that I would never be able to do it, because it wasn't happening. But I just kept getting more and more familiar with these in-between states. I kept practicing.

Now I am able to spend the whole night through all phases of sleep in lucidity. I do this on purpose once a month on the full moon. I get up in the morning feeling completely refreshed and rested even though I spent the whole night in various states of lucid consciousness and dreams. But I have been practicing for more than thirty years. It only took me a few months to have my first success, and everything kept getting easier and easier.

Thanks for the reply.It was a good advice to not put a great effort in achieving the separation.Actually today,I set myself a goal atleast to reach correct vibrations.I dunno what happend but,i decided to make a good hot bath,in the purpose to relax my body and mind bettar, before trying to do an OBE,and I did so.After i done the bath ,i went to bed,and tryind to OBE,well nothing happend,except that i can surely say that now i know that i had a vibration,and not a paralysis of the body.Even if this vibration lasted for a moment,i felt myt body like a bomb of energy,i cant even describe it ) im really touched about this...but the most interresting thing wast that it camed after 30-40 mins,whn i just let my mind float by herself,and had some images with me doing gym,with a hot girl next to me, lol) and then i felt it, for a moment how my entire body was filled with i duno how to even put it..was an fantastic sensation.But then i tryed again ,and nothing happend.. well anyway i can say this was a good day.Ill keep posting about my new improvisations as soon as i get more.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Well, you have the theory right, but your trying to hard. AND, it isn't something that you get right away, it takes time and practice before you will have a WILD. Let's break it down.

1: The only difference between normal dreaming and WILD dreaming is that you remain conscious.
2: Everything else happens automatically, you just have to relax your body and mind utterly and wait patiently.

Now, REM arises after a period of sleep. You have to somehow let your mind sleep while you remain aware. It is like balancing right on the edge of awareness. It is like having one foot in lucidity and the other in sleep. You may even drift off. In fact you have to let part of your mind drift off to sleep while maybe just the rhythm of your breathing is in your awareness, or your visualization. However, the act of visualization may be too much effort and not allow your mind to relax enough. You really have to go "way out there".

You may even find that you drift off for a moment or two and then you realize that you were just watching a scene unfold in faint dream images, but that realization wakes you back up. Let yourself keep dipping back and forth between these two states. I see it as a wave that the crest is awareness and the trough is sleep and dreaming. Then through breathing and meditation I try to flatten the wave and lengthen the wavelengths. These are like brainwaves.

You cannot "make" the vibrations happen or can't even expect them to. No expectations. You have to enjoy the present moment and dwell lucidly in the present moment, just like you do in normal sleep but you keep awareness. If you are trying to do something or expecting for something to happen and looking into the future, your mind won't be relaxed enough. You just need to sleep, but with awareness.

The first time I got a result I did actually drift off but immediately came to and realized that there was someone in my room chanting. I thought that it was real so I got up to check it out and actually lost that chance. The first time I actually had success was when I had been practicing a lot but this time I just went to sleep normally. But that night I just woke up for no reason but I didn't move. My body was sleeping. I then began listening to this bird chirping outside my window. Then more birds were chirping. I then realized that it was in the middle of the night and the birds were all sleeping also. The birds got so loud that it was like a jungle through surround sound hi-fi stereo turned up to 11. It was in my ears also! Then I felt like I was on a roller coaster. That is what the vibrations feel like to me. It is like I am on a rollercoaster or on a rocket falling through the sky with turbulence. At the same time I knew my body was just lying in bed super still. It was so much fun I loved it! Then it ended and I was still lying there in bed and there were no more birds. I didn't know if I lost my chance so I sat up out of bed, pushed the covers off of me and stepped out onto the floor. But I sank into the floor as if it were quicksand! I looked back and saw my body sleeping in bed with the cat curled up at the foot. I stepped up onto the floor and I flew slowly around my house and then I walked through the wall and flew around outside.

But this came after a month or two or three of trying. But the whole process was fun and enjoyable. Now I am able to do it once or twice a week and I go all over the place and all kinds of places.

3. I never know if I am in paralysis or not because I don't even try to move. I don't try to even move my "astral" or "etheric" or "spiritual" arms or legs. I just gently and slowly start visualizing another me doing something completely different. I watch myself as if I am watching someone else or a movie, maybe walking up an infinite spiral staircase very slow. When the visualization becomes strong enough ON ITS OWN, I transfer into first person mode. I then listen to the sound in my ears as this is happening.

SO, I don't try to do anything, I encourage it to happen on its own. I enjoy every step of the process and every state of consciousness even if it doesn't pay off with a successful WILD.

4. If I am very close to the dream state but I can't quite get it and then it seems the opportunity has slipped away, that is because I am in a cycle of sleep and am leaving the REM part of the cycle (even if I wasn't successful at REM) and entering the deeper phase of sleep. In normal sleep this would be the time that you roll over. I also do this because the numbness gets to be too much and distracting so it is important that I roll over so that I can relax deeply and deeply again.


I came up with this method that works for me just by practice and experimentation. Before I was successful I thought that I would never be able to do it, because it wasn't happening. But I just kept getting more and more familiar with these in-between states. I kept practicing.

Now I am able to spend the whole night through all phases of sleep in lucidity. I do this on purpose once a month on the full moon. I get up in the morning feeling completely refreshed and rested even though I spent the whole night in various states of lucid consciousness and dreams. But I have been practicing for more than thirty years. It only took me a few months to have my first success, and everything kept getting easier and easier.

(big quote i know) thankyou for this a really detailed description on your own personal techniques and experiences which is something i can take on board when attempting to WILD and AP myself to help me gain a little more experience on it.

also

You cannot "make" the vibrations happen or can't even expect them to. No expectations. You have to enjoy the present moment and dwell lucidly in the present moment

One of the best notes of advice ive seen - deffo helped me clarify what I'm doing wrong with that.