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      Is this lucid dreaming?

      Hi, first of all. It's nice to be here. I think I might have lucid dreams and sleep paralysis but I'm not sure, and after a bunch of Googling I figured this would be a good place to ask. While I'm very interested in the idea of lucid dreaming and would love to start doing it properly, as it is I'm pretty freaked out by what's happening and sort of want to know if other people experience the same thing, and if there's a way to stop the paralysis part and continue (and improve) the rest.

      Over the last month (December, not just January) at least nine or ten times I've woken up and haven't been able to move. I think the first time I had sleep paralysis was almost a decade ago, and I've had it a few times since then, so the first time I wasn't that surprised, just annoyed. I'm never sure if it's actually sleep paralysis though, because from what I've heard of that you genuinely cannot move at all. For me, I feel like I'm sinking deeper and deeper into something, and I feel like that if I just let myself sink I'll die. I realise logically that's probably not going to happen, but it freaks me out no end, although I am a bit curious about what would happen if I just let myself go. I wiggle my toes and the feeling fades a bit, then comes back when I stop. I've had the 'hallucinations' (whispers, on one occasion I thought someone was lying in the bed with me, once I thought my housemate was in the room when she wasn't) too.

      Sometimes, after all that, I'll go into a semi-unconscious state, where I dream, and know that I'm dreaming. I don't have a realisation during the dream, as lucid dreamers apparently do, I just know I'm dreaming. I can't exactly control the dream, either - I try to, but a lot of the time what I want to happen doesn't, or it does but not in the way I want it to. What I can do is wake myself up, sometimes into another dream, sometimes back into reality. Sometimes I 'wake' into what I think is reality, then realise it's actually a dream. I can also wake up a bit (enough to check the time) then go straight back into that dream, or another 'lucid' one. I've woken up properly, been completely awake then gone back for a nap and ended up experiencing this too, but more often than not it only happens after the paralysis thing.

      So, is this lucid dreaming/sleep paralysis? Can anyone give me some advice?
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      To me it sounds more like REM atonia as Sageous described it. If you feel worried about it, you could take a look at this thread.

      And yes, as far as I know you are describing lucid dreaming. As long as you know that you're dreaming it's a lucid dream. That doesn't have to mean that you are in control of said dream. Some people like to classify lucid dreams in multiple layers of lucidity where having a high level lucid dream basically means that you're in full control whereas a low level lucid dream can simply be knowing that you're dreaming without even realizing what that means exactly.

      My advice is to have fun with it! Don't worry about the sensations. In fact, try to enjoy them!
      And if you're ready to put some effort into this, turn it into a hobby by practicing lucid dreaming and dream journalling.
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      I think there's a good chance that you could simply be experiencing the feeling of falling asleep while still conscious and aware of what is going on. Lots of strange sensations can happen during this period, and it can be rather disconcerting and hard to get used to at first. The best thing to do is remember that your body is still safely resting in bed where you left it, and all sensations and imagery that appear to be happening to you are just part of your mind, just as with dreams. It took me a while to become completely comfortable with this state, but I eventually realized that whenever I'm aware of what is truly going on, there isn't really anything scary about any of it. In fact, more recently I've noticed that I now tend to feel deeply relaxed, safe, and “at home” in the midst of conscious non-REM sleep, perhaps even more so than I ever do in normal waking life.

      This also is an excellent opportunity to make your way into a lucid dream. You might try to relax, remember that you are simply falling asleep and experiencing the normal process your body and mind always go through (with the only exception being that you just happen to be consciously noticing it this time), and let the sensations happen but try not put too much focus or importance on them. If you get lucky, you might happen to reach REM sleep within a few moments, and you will soon notice a full dream scene form around you, all while you are aware that you are sleeping and dreaming.

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      I agree with what has been previously been said – I personally started thinking of SP, until you mentioned the sinking and the entrance into a dream; it is much more likely to probably just be remaining REM Atonia and just consciously falling asleep, as has been mentioned by others in their replies. In fact, it is a very nice opportunity for you – it is a type of lucid dream induction called WILD (Wake Initiated Lucid Dream); since you seem to be new to LD'ing as far as I can tell from your post, I don't know how much you've read about induction techniques, but a WILD is basically where you intentionally let your body fall asleep while keeping your mind conscious in order to slip from waking into an LD. Since you get into the LD by falling asleep consciously, you often go in just knowing that you are dreaming. WILD's (the LDs you get from WILD) are commonly known for typically being quite vivid, but can be difficult and need practice to reach, so if you can reach a higher level of lucidity (like the aforementioned levels of lucidly in a previous response) then you could use these incidents to potentially lead into incredible WILD's. The incidents that you described of waking up into what feels like reality but it's still actually a dream are incidents called False Awakenings, so you'll definitely want to set up LD fundamentals like reality checks as another replier mentioned in case you fall into another one, as well as to help with inducing any type of LD in general.

      In fact, now that I think about it, you said that you usually feel this process, which sometimes eventually brings you into LD's, straight after you wake up in the middle of sleep, which kind of sounds like the LD's you get from these are something akin to accidental DEILD's (Dream Exit Induced Lucid Dreams), which are basically a shortened version of the WILD process. We tend to wake up a number of times throughout the night, but we usually don't remember them. It seems that you most likely are catching one or so of these wake-up occasions and waking up a little further, but your body is still tired and relaxed enough that you fall back into a sleep state with your mind still conscious. This is somewhat similar to a DEILD, in which, after you wake up from a dream with more dreaming left to go through, so you keep still so you're still in that REM state and you keep your mind awake as you go directly back into a dream state, usually visualising things to help you re-enter your previous dream or enter a new one, and keep you conscious enough (without letting go of consciousness) that you're lucid in the dream. Except, in your case, you didn't mention whether or not you woke up from dreams (you may not even remember what you were dreaming before you woke up), and you're not really doing any visualising process in order to help with the dream entry, as far as I can tell from what you said in your post.

      As the others have said before, embrace it. Your aware dreams, even if you can't control them well, are still lucids; and if you find this happens again, you could use it as an opportunity to enter a potentially great LD, prepared for a lucid and ready to try raise your lucidity level. If you have trouble with dream control because you are low level lucidity (in which, as mentioned by someone else already, in a level at which you are aware that you are dreaming but have not as much awareness of the implications and control you have), I find that a mantra helps, for me at least: remember that when you are dreaming, you are in a world inside you own mind, and you have the power to manipulate everything around you with the power of expectation. Remind it to yourself in a mantra based around that concept, with confidence/confident intent, perhaps when you go to sleep; I found that, after I reminded myself that in a positive, confident manner, it carried over to myself in my dreams (we can still forget things in dreams, even when lucid; I've had issues of not remembering dream goals after becoming lucid, sometimes) and my dream self would think "Okay, this is a dream, I have control over everything here, because this is a world created by my own mind." and it would help me with my level of expectation, and as such, dream control.

      Hope that helped!
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