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      Why you should forget about Sleep Paralysis (SP)

      What is Sleep Paralysis
      What are normal falling asleep sensations
      And why we don't need SP to Lucid Dream.

      Sleep Paralysis (SP) is one thing, and sensations we feel as we are falling asleep or during WILDing are entirely different thing.

      They are both legit events, they can happen at same time but they are unrelated.

      1. Sleep paralysis
      Automatic condition that our body starts after we start dreaming. It will paralyze our muscles so we don't move while dreaming.

      2. Sensations while falling asleep or WILDing
      Any vibrations, movement, falling, flying, body light or heavy, visual, tactile or auditory hallucinations, etc. are normal sensations of our body falling asleep that we notice only because our mind is falling asleep a bit later than our body.

      Unfortunatelly, these 2 events are frequently, and mistakenly both called SP.

      Please read the posts below in spoilers and post your question if there are any.

      Spoiler for Sageous's post:


      Spoiler for Help us dispel the myth:



      Spoiler for Not a stepping stone:


      Spoiler for Difference between SP and sensations:


      Spoiler for Confusion about SP:


      Spoiler for Can't move, not just hard to move:


      Spoiler for It's not supernatural:


      Spoiler for Not LDing goal:


      http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...explained.html
      http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...mystified.html

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      I had an episode today, I am scared. It has never happened this way, I am just trying to understand or find an answer.

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      Good information. Was wondering about the difference between REM atonia and SP
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      "sleep paralysis" usually is demons sitting on your chest trying to stop your heart. It's not always demons, though, so don't be afraid. If it hurts, sit up fast and push the demon off of your chest. Sometimes right before it happens I see a gruesome, witch-like demon. I see my foster grandma and suddenly she looks like a demon, and I feel pressure on my chest and I instantly wake up and push her/it off of my chest.

      Occasionally it really is "sleep paralysis" and it can be enjoyable, knowing you are dreaming, or not dreaming but hallucinating, with pleasant or Divine visions. It might feel uncomfortable but sometimes it feels peaceful. I think it's the second coming so demonic sleep paralysis happens less often. It happened to me for a long time.

      Sleep paralysis is a good opportuntity to fall back into sleep and have a lucid dream (sorry my spelling is off my first language is archangel...I forget it though). Another thing is it's more likely to happen if you fall asleep on your back, so if you want to avoid it (if it's scary and nightmarish) lay on your side as you fall asleep. If it's usually peaceful, go to bed on your back and it might be more likely to happen. Remember that you can fight the paralysis and sit up and go to your dream journal to write down your dream, nightmare or not. If it is a nightmare, go back into it lucid (or try to) and transmute the dream and turn it into a peaceful exploration of your consciousness. Don't pay attention to demonic images. You are getting them because demons talk to the back of your mind while you are sleeping, and your soul remembers that and creates nightmarish images. I think it is the soul that causes dreaming, and other times God gives you dreams (Divine Visions).

      Happy dreaming!

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      I'm sorry, but no.

      Sleep paralysis is NOT anything sitting on your chest. That's what people used to say before science discovered what sleep paralysis is.

      Sleep paralysis (SP) is simply just that. Our body being paralyzed, so we can't move. That happens after we start dreaming. If we were still able to move when dreaming, we would act out our dreams and perhaps hurt ourselves or those around us.

      We are already dreaming when this paralysis hits, which is correctly called REM atonia (literally paralysis when in REM). And since we are dreaming, we see dream images. REM atonia starts the moment we start dreaming, and ends the moment the dream ends, or we wake up.

      Now, sometimes something goes wrong, and REM atonia doesn't turn off when we wake up. This can happen a couple times in a lifetime, or even never. For some people it happens more often. Then it's called SP disorder.

      REM atonia - medical term for muscle paralysis during REM
      Sleep paralysis (SP) - same atonia, but it's called this when we notice it.

      So when we are still paralyzed when we are awake, our mind can't really explain why (if we never heard of this happening before), and makes up a "logical" explanation. Something must be holding us down. As since this is a scary event (again, if we don't know this can happen), we imagine all kinds of scary scenarios. In olden times, those were demons. Now they could be aliens.

      But if you know this can happen, it's just a feeling that you can't move and you don't get scared, you don't get any scary images either.

      Lucid dreamers practicing WILD method of lucid dream initiation theoretically go through this paralysis. But most of us never experience it. Because by then we are dreaming and have better things to do than getting freaked out by non-existing monsters.

      Also, many sleep on the back and don't get nightmares. It's very subjective.

      And yes, if you happen to notice that you can't move, you can just relax and go back into a dream. Since you are awake, it will be a lucid!

      But if you don't like it, you can break free from paralysis. Not by sitting up, because remember, you are paralyzed. Trying to move IS what freaks us out. But you can let your mind know, that you are awake, so it turns off SP. You do that by simply showing your mind that you are in control same was as when you are awake. By changing your breathing speed, by trying to wiggle tips of your fingers or toes.

      Or try and levitate out, or roll out of your body for adventure in dream/astral lands.

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      I agree that that happens, and that it's not demons. When you are paralyzed you don't feel pain or big pressure. You just can't feel. I agree sometimes it's just the brain doing it's work. But sometimes it IS actually demons. I understand you might not be Christian, but I know in my heart that I am correct.

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      Sleep paralysis happened to me. I was fully conscious I was sleeping but I wasn't dreaming but I couldn't move and was feeling Jeff's pain. Jeff was one of my friends that became an enemy. I thought about getting up and knowing the pain would stop but I couldn't. I know that if I drifted into REM I would dream so I didn't try to get up, but that didn't happen. I was in that condition for like one or two hours. It was both peaceful and painful but not at all scary like demonic SP is.
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      I am new to DreamViews so bare with me.

      I am so relieved to see that this place does not teach SP as a necessary step for WILDing. I have been attempting WILDs lately and have never experienced paralysis during them, and usually give up eventually because of this.

      I am curious, though-- I have experienced real paralysis after waking from sleep several times. It has never been scary for me (in fact I was kind of baffled when I learned most people are frightened of it), and I always sort of enjoyed the feeling. If this were to happen in the middle of the night, is it possible to WILD from that state, or should I wait for it to fade first before attempting transition into dream? To be clear, I have never fallen back to sleep while paralyzed before so I am not sure it is possible; usually I enjoy it for awhile before it fades and I regain my ability to move.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Courga View Post
      I am curious, though-- I have experienced real paralysis after waking from sleep several times. It has never been scary for me (in fact I was kind of baffled when I learned most people are frightened of it), and I always sort of enjoyed the feeling. If this were to happen in the middle of the night, is it possible to WILD from that state, or should I wait for it to fade first before attempting transition into dream? To be clear, I have never fallen back to sleep while paralyzed before so I am not sure it is possible; usually I enjoy it for awhile before it fades and I regain my ability to move.
      I'm sure it is. In fact, I believe I managed to pull it off a couple of times in my early LDing days. My SP experiences were like yours: never really scary, just annoying at worst, though nowadays I hardly ever experience it anymore for some reason. The SP / REM atonia normally happens when you are in or near REM, where most vivid dreams occur, so if you're already in it, you're probably pretty much there already. The only issue might be if you're already waking up and it fades before you have a chance to get dream imagery going again.

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      during my first attemps to OBE i had scary SP. for example i saw dark entities who wanted to pull me out my body.
      but after many trial my SP are very much like the normal waking up. I see no jinn or demon or dark being unless i invite them to my OBE.
      there are good resources for you to study these things. for example robert bruce in his book "psychic self defence" has mentioned many astral beings that you might see in your SP.
      if you use shielding methods then you are safe and they can't grab your energy.

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      Hello gab! new here..to play devils advocate, can anyone really prove that spirits dont exist? only thing i conclude is that there's no dogma or rulebook for dreamworld
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      Quote Originally Posted by PrisonPlanet View Post
      Hello gab! new here..to play devils advocate, can anyone really prove that spirits dont exist? only thing i conclude is that there's no dogma or rulebook for dreamworld
      Due to the nature of science and hypothesis testing, no one can ever say anything doesn't exist-- but that doesn't mean it does. The burden of proof lies with whomever makes the assertion. Think of it this way: if I say an invisible baby elephant follows me around and shoplifts from wherever I go, no one is expected to believe me until I've provided solid, non-circumstantial evidence.

      Because we can never prove the non-existence of something, we must draw conclusions based on the fact that we have not seen any evidence that it does, and take into consideration evidence for simpler, alternative hypotheses; for example, maybe you have a video of me stealing from your store-- that still doesn't prove that the elephant doesn't exist, but it provides evidence for a different explanation of events.
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      Courga unfortunately i dont understand your analogy..i could easily formulate mental image of baby elephant (or baby elephant disappearing) i tinker around with (electromagnetic) levitational devices, mirrors, optical illusions..for a couple hundred dollars i could probably make you invisible! maybe its irrelevant..not real, but something i could replicate, thats attainable..unlike dreams (lucid dreams) scientifically proven in 80's yet documented throughout history yet we cant pigeonhole whats going on..its too early, my personal opinion dreams aren't constantly upgraded or updated (like science) ..neither are ghosts

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      Quote Originally Posted by PrisonPlanet View Post
      Courga unfortunately i dont understand your analogy.
      Well, it's all pretty simple stuff. You asked if we can know spirits aren't real. She correctly confirmed that, as of today, we can't do that using the empirical method of aquiring "certain" knowledget. Then she explained what she thinks is the practical way to approach these concepts. What is practical of course depends entirely on you what you want

      In my opinion the whole burden of proof thing only applies if your claim can be proven scientifically. "Unsciencable" and beliefs don't have to be proven to be valuable. because again, it depends on what you want. Being a blowhard and telling someone to prove something unprovable is meaningless, insensitive, closed minded and estranging. We do ourselves and everybody else a favor by being humble when sharing our beliefs. And also by being humble when we disagree with someone elses.

      As for proving what is going on in dreams using science, I am very sceptical that we'll get there.. Doesn't make sense to me. I just don't see how it would be possible...(That said, I'm absolutely sure it will be done, poorly... and I'm sure a lot of folk will blindly believe it, as they already do)

      Science and phenomena of consciousness don't go very well together at all. Luckily there are other ways of understanding these things
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      Agreed..but administrator began with 'im sorry but no'..didnt appear as 'practical way to approach' but non negotiable decree..we cant know with 100% certainty why people have unusual dream experience's (like you said whats practical (or i suppose whats not) is a matter of opinion..respect your opinion and appreciate advice

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      Courga and staff..my intentions weren't to belittle anyone (but perhaps my emotions got the best of me) take care

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      Let me say ... paralysis is a function of certain entities we encounter in sleep. I call them 'rubber souls'. And don't get me wrong. It can be really scary. But please understand. YOU ARE NOT ALONE.
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