Thread: do blind men have lucids?

Originally posted by koko

can he fly? (ofcourse he can't)...

Why would you say he can't? He may not be able to SEE himself flying, but he can probably feel the motion/wind/etc. Just a guess. Next time your LD flying, trying closing your eyes and see if you can tell if you're still flying.

and you can do anything in a dream. Why not gain sight if your blind?

~Corbin

I imagine blind people can see perfectly well in dreams because they do not use their eyes in their dreams, they obviously would have completely different dreams from someone with sight as they have a different way of percieving things.

Why not gain sight if your blind? [/b]

That would be an amazing experience for the guy, but I seriously doubt it would match the real experience. If he has never experienced sight, he can only guess what its like.
Still worth trying though

with all due respect, a man that is blind from birth can't gain sight in his dreams. he doesnt even know what sight is (try to imagine a color you havn't seen before - you can't! same here, as for the question if a blind man sees total blackness or some random colors i can't answer, and even if he was blind from the age of 3 (for example) i think his dreams would've become very very limited with sights experiences (if at all) because sight isn't related to his current lifestyle and survival instincts. dream material is stuff you experience in reality. blind man's world is based on touch if he can't touch/hear/smell something it doesnt exist. just like we look at a pertty girl they need to touch her (in order to "look at her) if we see a mountain in the distance they wouldn't be aware of it... they wouldn't even be able to say "oh there's a mountain i'm going to walk towards it" because it makes no sound or creates no smell.. the world of the blind man is very limited. so are his dreams. i'm sure there is some compensation, but they dream in touch/hear/smell.

so, how for a blind man to become lucid in his dreams would give him that extra freedom (okay he can feel himself flying.. but i dont think that's his ultimate desire like people who can see perefctly.. flying is mere wind in his face.. wouldn't think of it as freedom for a man who can't see)

i hope you understand my question
peace and love,
koko

Yes, idont think blind people can gain sight in dreams... But i think that SIGHT is strongest in our dreams... I mean we dont remember sounds as good as sight...

I think that dreams of blind ppl are a bit diffirent... Maybe they see light ? Flashing white or smth? Maybe if they would be lucid they could control that light ? dunno...

P.S. I think it should be moved in general discussion

people can do anything in dreams. whats to stop them from gaining sight in dreams?

Originally posted by padfoot
people can do anything in dreams. whats to stop them from gaining sight in dreams?

Because dreams are just your mind creating things based on past experience. Their brain has nothing to construct sight from. Now blind people who LOST their sight later in life, sure. But people who have never seen, no.

Originally posted by padfoot
people can do anything in dreams. whats to stop them from gaining sight in dreams?

whats stoping you from seeing a color you never saw before?

I think they could see, I don't know about seeing colours but I think they could see in their own way. I don't think we can say if they do or not until an actual blind person comes into here and tells us.

I don't think they can see. However, I'm sure they can have lucid dreams.

No that I think of it I don't know if they could see. The could dream and be seeing in what they think as seeing but really it would be way different to the real world. Just my opinion.

i see, but what if they happen to know directions to a place, and they previously had sight, they would love to see it, so they went and followed the directions, and saw the place they've longed to see for so long.


eh? am i genius or what?

i think about the things i'm trying to solve, and after a while, CHA-CHING!!! i've got an idea, i run it by people who work on it too, and you know what happens when i'm right? the same thing that happens to everyone else! and if negative, i find a nother idea.

Here's an idea , use the edit button

Don't worry truthbearer gave me the same lecture. Although he is right.

i admit, those two seperet were kinda stupid, but what about my idea? what say the people?

Pad foot your idea sounds logical but i don't think it was well thought up.

In your dreams, people can dream about things they wish were different in real life (i.e. being in a wheelchair, and suddenly your legs start to work). I would think a person, blind from birth would dream that he had sight... Sight in his dream would definately have to be different from what we see in real life, but nonetheless, it would be THE real thing to him in his dream. I would only be able to ponder what things would LOOK like to a person who has never seen anything.

Similar to what you would picture in your mind with someone telling you about a vacation spot like the carribean, if you had never seen pictures of it, you could only leave it up to your imagination.

Imagine how he would feel, being able to look around instead of hearing or feeling around for once in his life... It would be an amazing thing. Surely a blind person wouldnt have sight in all of his(or her, im not trying to be sexist) dreams, or do they???

I don't know maybe ur right.

you so took my idea for a thread. you suck. >:|

Simple, Proven Facts That You Just Have To Believe:
Blind people have lucids.

People that have been blind all their life do not have visions in their dreams, but have enchanced smell and touch, etc.

People that haven't been bilnd all their life can/do have visions in their dreams.

The Same Simple, Proven Facts That You Just Have To Believe But Don't And Now Need To Be Convinced More:

ALL blind people do have lucid dreams. Just because you don't have vision dosen't mean you can't have dreams/lucid dreams.

People that haven't been blind all their life have seen things before. Their eyes have seen color. Their brains, therefore have memorized the signal sent to the brain that says "This is a color", and is thereinafter capable of reproducing it for a dream.

People that have been blind all their life have never seen a colour. Close your eyes for a second or two, memorize what you see, and open them. You should of seen black (or hypagognic imagery, yeah, but for the simplicity of explanation, just say black). Right, say you meet a person in the street who has been blind all their life. Attempt to describe to them the color red. Your conversation will go something like this:

You: Hello, sir!
Blind Person: Yes? *goes over to you*. What do you want?
You: I'd like to describe to you the color red.
Blind Person: (Chances are they'll say \"go away, you horrible person\", but let's just say they agree) - \"Okay\".

You: Right, you know the color green?
Blind Person: Er, no.
You: Do you know any color?
Blind Person: Nope.

You: Well, red is kind of, er...um..well, yeah.
Blind Person: You suck. *walks away*[/b]

Attempt to describe it now, without pointing to red or showing somebody red and saying "This is red". You can't. You can't say "Red is like green except not as greenish", because they haven't seen green.

Fact is, you simply cannot do it. Lucid Dreaming is limited to what your mind knows. And a person who has been blind all their life dosen't know what a color is. Okay, they might know what you mean by "color", as in what a object's color is, but they haven't seen a color and therefore cannot reproduce it in a dream, see it in a dream or do bog all with it.

It's like trying to eat a polish sasuage when you don't have a polish sasuage. You'll be there all day and you won't accomplish anything.

And they lived happily ever after, except Alice died.

lets put it this way... where do these senses come from? If the senses you have in a dream come from the parts of the brain responsible for the intake of those senses, then what happens when that part of the brain isn't functioning? When a man his blind, there are two ways that he can be blind; either the part of the brain responsible for sight doesn't work properly, or his eyes don't work properly. If the part of the brain responsible for sight (I can't remember the specific section) isn't functioning, then there is no way for him to recreate the sense of sight, unless those senses are directly coming from past memory, or the *supposed* creative section of your brain.

Let's assume for a moment that a blind person cannot see in a dream, how would they become lucid? With such optimal senses, I doubt somebody could realise they are dreaming. Even if they became lucid, it probably wouldn't have lasted long because they wouldn't have all tactile senses to mentally grasp onto.

I have some major quarrels with the things I've said, but I won't go into them

Death is right.