Thread: Since the Late 1950's

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

Maybe you can get one or more of your peers to explain things to you. Try a support group. Might even try . . . . gosh do I say it . . . . actually studying something! Sorry, I did not mean to offend you.

Laying down the law. That is so attractive. ^_______........^

These are the wisdomful ramblings of a self proclaimed philosopher who cannot keep his cooth in a civil discussion.

P.S. Your grammar and punctuation have suffered severely in your more recent posts. Maybe you should go back to busting your balls to try and mimic yoda.

I apologize if you could not read even one of the books I posted on my website. No reflection on you though. Now you want to pick the lint off my ass and scream about that too. What a mind! I admire you.

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

As you have noting intelligent to say, why do you open your mouth at all? There are some very intelligent people on this site, and they see right through you.

And you're not one of them! Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh burn.

Lol, you are honestly, mad... I'm pretty sure that you are responding in this way due to the fact that i made you feel intelectually inferior. Must you insist with the insults? Good luck with whatever the hell your talking about oh great wise man... Hopefully you can keep your story straight in the future. Oh and next time try not dodging every question with an irrelevant shady answer...

Oh, yes, you have gravely humbled me. Undone years of study, by your great wisdom. My laughter is only my madness!!!!

Its been great fun guys, but I have put in a ten hour day today, and all of it on my feet. Time for beddy bye. Kisses.

So..................asl?

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

Oh, yes, you have gravely humbled me. Undone years of study, by your great wisdom. My laughter is only my madness!!!!

Its been great fun guys, but I have put in a ten hour day today, and all of it on my feet. Time for beddy bye. Kisses.

I put in 11 hours for 3 days in a row. All on my feet. Still had room to party afterwords. Cry more.

Originally Posted by Mark75

So..................asl?

lmao

Calling a man mad twice, is a reflection of behaviour.

Well, I think I am failing in my objective here. Anyone know how to get off this site and have all posts deleted?

I guess only an admin/moderator can help you there. Click the staff button under the Dream Views banner. I'll miss you!

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

Well, I think I am failing in my objective here. Anyone know how to get off this site and have all posts deleted?

You just leave. We don't do mass deletions.

I'm sorry you have attracted the attention of our immature kiddie population. There really are some great people here, but it takes some effort to find them and work around the clutter. I find it worth the effort, and I'm certainly less patient than most.

I'll see you around. I'm sure of it.

Godspeed.

this has been an interesting, if confusing, conversation to read. Better than most soap operas!

Why did people attack this man for showing his world?

In a face-to-face discussion, i seriously doubt such sarcastic insults would happen.

Your worlds are just as insane, conforming to false realities in self built prisons.

Skepticism was here. Insulting cynicism was masked under such.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Why did people attack this man for showing his world?

In a face-to-face discussion, i seriously doubt such sarcastic insults would happen.

Your worlds are just as insane, conforming to false realities in self built prisons.

Skepticism was here. Insulting cynicism was masked under such.

What are you reffering to? There were but two posts by anyone even doubting his world, or his opinion. I for one am very interested in his world and reason. But their is an extreme lacking in his ability to explain it. Every answer was a dodge from the question. Typing intelligent phrases does not mean it was an intelligent answer. I think most are just frustrated that he would not simply share his "so called" knowledge which is why they were frustrated. I for one feel that way. Of course that makes me doubt if there is actually any knowledge to be spoken of. Or only some fancy metaphorical responses that are in no way relevent to the questions he was asked. Or perhaps you or i misread. Either way, its not as big of a deal as it has been made. Just an intelligent conversation which i for one enjoyed. Of course he did say that finding a mate was his goal on these forums. So by saying he is not accomplishing what he set out to, and therefore is deleting his account, could even mean he has realized this is not the place. Thank god for that. My point is noone attacked this man for his world, and i said many times he is as simple minded as the rest of us no better or no worse. All of our worlds are in fact as wild and with that i agree with you cloud. This topic should be closed.

While I find no interest in this persons reasons for being on these forums, what was said by him does have certain relavance.

What it boils down to is changing the way in which you percieve your dreams, and for that matter your waking state as well.

The physical reality , whether in a dream or awake is not really what it appears to be. Well , it is, but there is exponatially more to it that is hidden behind the obvious.

In dreams, if one can break the habit of approaching and taking what is "seen" for face value ( ie: as the physical objects they appear to be) then one can begin to observe their dreams from a metaphorical perspective. Its not much unlike learing a whole new language, or more so - learning to think all over again.

Rather than simply "playing" in your dreams with lucidity, or working to control your dreams, one starts to be the observer and learns things about themselves from their dreams. Learn how to ask questions and the answers manifest in your dreams. What arises in your dreams is a manifestation of ones own self in one way or another.

At least this is what I am "seeing" in the comments along with seeing such in my own experience.

You are on the right trail. Thank you. j.c.

Take the word "cat", it stands for many animals, yet by the fact you can all call them "cat" you agree that they all share the same "form" but you probably do not know what that means yet, however that is the foundation of metaphor itself. Plato tried to get his readers to abstract it, no one did, not even Aristotle. Yet in the fundamentals of Set Theory, you know there are only two methods of constructing a set, enumeration and definition. Enumeration is to memory, as definition is to reason. This fact speaks volumes on the illigitimate method of teaching children today. I did not invent it, nor did Plato, it is a physical fact of reality.

This fact is also the boundaries of human psychology. It has already been noted that very high IQ people "group" things differently than "normal" people. This is the primary reason, "normals" find them "strange".

What is sad, no amount of memory, or the reading of words, or lectures, will ever change a person's innate ability to judge. The only hope, is mental exercise--not the exercise of memory.

And they are dangerous, those whose mind can do little more than enumerate, they are addicted to it, and demand to be told, but when you tell them to learn to think, they will often kill to support their addiction.

This is why I say, one can join this cause, or that cause, for this or that reason, and you are no more than an ant pissing on a forest fire. Every particular problem is one universal problem, and it is not "out there" it is within.

I started to study psychology at around 13. I did not have to read much to understand that it was not yet a science and it had a long way to go--they did not have a standard. Only now is the doo-doo hitting the fan, search YouTube under Psychiatry. I have download over 450 megs of it.

Finally you have stepped towards what i was trying to get out of you... Your information to share. I agree with you completely. In that i understand mans too common mistake in misunderstanding intelligence. Sometimes i wander if it is a blessing or a curse to those that others do consider intelligent. Humans often react harshly and even feel threatened by those of higher thinking. This is in part why so called "nerds" are mistreated in schools. When in all reality they should be highly respected. It is hard to determine however, whether this is a natural human reaction which is uncontrollable by the individual. Or if it is simply acting out on jealous emotions. Why do some feel threatened by those with knowledge instead of trying to learn from them and thrive on their own? It's a much too common mistake that im afraid we will never solve. A mystery, that will never be discovered.

So, we shouldn't judge other things... we should work on ourselves and try to gain knowledge? Is that part of what's being said?

First of all, prejudice is often called judgment, it is not. Judgment follows specific grammartical laws; these laws parallel physical law. If one does not know them, then what they say has nothing to do with judgment. One has to learn judgment, or, as a great philosopher once said, well, you know, you probably read it--about the mote and the beam in one's eye. When you have a group of things, all covered by the same definition, then one can refer to any item in the group, while meaning another. Plato actually tried to get the reader to start thinking about this in Parmenides. For example "blind, deaf, lame, poor, hungry" but not knowing it, refers all, to the one not mentioned, mind. This is the art of metaphor. Only when one "sees" what they are, do they know where they are at.

That is the gist of my work, if the principles of predication are not known, then can anyone say they know judgment? In many areas of science and technology, things are fair, but in common grammar, the media of social discourse, man is still wielding a club.

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

This is why I say, one can join this cause, or that cause, for this or that reason, and you are no more than an ant pissing on a forest fire. Every particular problem is one universal problem, and it is not "out there" it is within.

In Dzogchen its has been said that in order for one to be able to help others, one must first, above all else, help oneself.

Spontaneous Self arising wisdom is also spoken of in the texts. This is how I have come to see the dreaming process, as self arising wisdom, "wisdom" because such is there to show oneself ones own nature. This is shown through metaphor using the images in the dreams.

Lately it seems that lucidity is also spontaneous and self arising. Many on this site playing with dreams and lucidity speak from a standpoint of gaining lucidity through effort, however when I leave the dreaming process unhindered and unchanged and just play the role of observer I am finding that the lucidity arises in the dreams on its own and in places in the dreams where there is a clear message to be "known". The less I "try" or "interefere" the more clarity and meaning the dreams have, even to the point of the interpretation of the dream arising in the dream within the lucidity.

Such goes hand in hand with a great many teachings I have become familiar with.

Also, years ago I had a dream that left a notion "burnt" into this consciousness. That notion was "Thought without words". The dream , which I dont remember anymore other than the basic implications I am talking of now, had the "feeling" of pertaining to a critical milestone. The relavance of this dream is just now starting to show up in the things I am "seeing' of late.

Does any of this perception I am experienceing have any relavance to the 'view' you have?

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

In many areas of science and technology, things are fair, but in common grammar, the media of social discourse, man is still wielding a club.

Again, this i agree with strongly. We do all slip don't we? Why is it that man has so much trouble expressing himself verbaly?

One part I understand, the other is a contradiction.

The "self" which is before thought, before words, before emotion, before perception. Independent. This is pure being--it is not thought, or emotion. One subjectively identifies with thought and emotion, but it is not what we are. We are that which preceeds these. Words and the emotion, memory, content we use to craft and are our resources--the material of mind craft.

However, wisdom arising in the self by the self is not possible--has one ever seen a plant thrive without nutient? Eaten and were filled on imagination? Breathed when there is no air. This part of what you believe is self-referential, meaning that a thing is different from itself, that A -- A <> 0. We cannot show ourselves the future just as we cannot feed our own stomach. Why work for a living or even bother to take the first breath of life if the self is indendent of ALL?

The part of listening in order to attain clairity is true--for it even shows you your contradiction. You are being taught to perceive--perception is the act a acquiring that which is not yet a part of you. Fundamental to every life sense. It is by craft that we attain to dominion over the environment. We attain to dominion in order to have life and have it more abundantly. It is by this that we attain and maintain identity A = A. By being aware of our subjective identification with what we are not, we learn to attain to clarity. When we confuse what we are with what we are not, we loose our identity.

I am that which is before perception, before conception and before will. I can or cannot learn to be a craftsman and I can or cannot express being.