Thread: subconscious, psychoanalysis and dreams

Originally Posted by annsie

All the latest researches confirm that we need to sleep in order to dream and we use dreams to deal with psychological problems. Without sleeping and dreaming we would all become ( eventually) psychotic.

I have healed myself ( psychologically ) many times in my LD. In fact the first LD was created by myself for healing.

Happy exploring your dream world.

Well, these are just theories.
There are people which cannot sleep.

Check out this Vietnamese guy:
http://www.thanhniennews.com/feature...0&newsid=12673

He's sleepless since more than 30 years now.

Originally Posted by aniki

Well, these are just theories.
There are people which cannot sleep.

Check out this Vietnamese guy:
http://www.thanhniennews.com/feature...0&newsid=12673

He's sleepless since more than 30 years now.

Just so you know, I am actually Vietnamese and I have read the story in the local papers in Vietnamese. Firstly its what this man CLAIMS to do, there has been no scientific research to confirm his claim. He refuses to have tests done claiming that he is scared of tests. Reports say he does sit down to rest during the day. Also the latest report says that since Oct 2006 he has started to feel unwell.


There are several probables here :

1- The man made it up for monetary gain.
2- He has several microsleep during the day.
3- There is a possibility that his life span will be gravely affected, he may suddenly drop dead any day.
4- He does not use much mental brain power and his life is relatively stress free, which contribute to a reduced need for rest/sleep.
5- At several times during the day he may be functioning on autopilot, in a hypnotic type of trance/sleep.
6- REM does occur during waking hours when the body slows down and rest. He might have more of those
7- There is always exception. To cite an one off exception as proof that other proven hypothesis are not valid is not valid in itself. You cant say that there ARE PEOPLE who can not sleep when there is so far only one reported.
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Again, you are supposing things and presenting them as a truth.
These are theories and not facts.

What I tried to say in my clumsy way is not to get stuck on a theory.

It was not my intention to insult you in any way.

Originally Posted by aniki

Well, these are just theories.
There are people which cannot sleep.

Check out this Vietnamese guy:
http://www.thanhniennews.com/feature...0&newsid=12673

He's sleepless since more than 30 years now.

Originally Posted by aniki

Again, you are supposing things and presenting them as a truth.
These are theories and not facts.

What I tried to say in my clumsy way is not to get stuck on a theory.

It was not my intention to insult you in any way.

I was not insulted by your posts, and I am not trying insult you here either, I am simply debating what you said. You said " There are people who can not sleep " citing ONE example, then you said " He's sleepless more than 30 years " but there has been no scientific tests to confirm this.

I am surprised you accused me of supposing things and presenting them as truth while you did exactly that. How do you KNOW that what this sleepless man claimed was the TRUTH. What proof have you got of that ?

Regarding my first post, these theories have been proven. There have been research programs where people ( college students ) who were not allowed to dream by being waken up at night every time they entered REM sleep, after a few days they started to get cranky, grumpy, tired and unable to concentrate; after a few more days they started to hallucinate, having anxiety attacks and palpitations.

In my second post, I said " PROBABLE ", I was not supposing anything. I was just offering possible factors behind this mans claim.

In summary, I posted on theories that had been tested and proven, while what you posted was nothing more than a single mans claim which had not even been tested, let alone proven. Who is the one presenting theory as fact here ?

Ok, I assume you are a scientist or something. You're pretty accurate in dismembering my sentences and giving the words a meaning and your way of presenting things. Nothing against it, but maybe you're taking it to serious at this particular place.

English is not my native language as it's not for many of us. So misunderstandings are to be expected.

I didn't meant to disprove some theories by presenting one guy as evidence.

It is more like "Hey check this out, that dude haven't slept for 30 years! Isn't that cool?"
and just to show that there are maybe some exeptions in this world, which do not fit in a theory.

Yes, you said that we would (eventually) get psychotic without dreams.
But my answer was not supposed opponing you in that way.
I think that I'd go mad without having sleep for two days, but hey, maybe I just need to get some practice?

Your presentation left a feeling that what you are talking about are facts. It is the manner in how you choose your words for the post.

If you allow me this critic, many of the people could take your words for truth and do something motivated by your sayings. It sounds reasonable, ah yes, there's a scientific proof, too, so this person knows about it for sure.
Did you know that there are mathematicians which really proved that 1+1=2 ?
Sounds crazy, but it's very hard.

If you so will, with my comment I tried to dilute your words a little, to bring in an option, as it cuts in like a blade.

friends?

thanks annsie! if you would like to talk more get in touch, you have sparked my curiosity!

Of course we are friends !

I am not a scientist , worse, I am a doctor so yes I am very used to be giving out "orders" and I instinctively use words in a way which will make people sit up and listen. Its just what I do every day as part of my job and it has become my second nature. English is my 4th language so I am fully aware there is always the possibility of misunderstanding.

I do take things seriously even when on internet and in forums such as this and I have been criticised many times as people felt " vibrated" by my words.

I do however have a concern over certain harms that can be done by inaccurate information. Some people are very gullible and they actually do believe what they read online.

When you said that " there are people who can not sleep" and quoted the story of this Vietnamese guy, you sounded like " not sleeping does not cause harm and you dont really need to sleep" which potentially could do harm to people who choose to believe that. If people choose to believe me that lack of sleep can lead to psychosis and they make sure they sleep better, there is no harm in it, only good.

HUGS !

Originally Posted by dweezil

thanks annsie! if you would like to talk more get in touch, you have sparked my curiosity!

You are welcome, I am happy to help anytime if I can.

There are many ways to heal, dreaming and hypnotism have certainly been used and found to be effective for many people. Your therapist seems to be quite well versed in it, she should be able to guide you step by step.