Thread: subconscious, psychoanalysis and dreams

Welcome to DV!

Unfortunately, I can't help you. I hope someone else can. Maybe your therapist can?...

yeah she will, i think you misunderstood what kind of help i was asking for. i'm not upset or feeling depressed or anything, i'm just trying to figure something out.
basically i wondered if anyone else on here had any experience of "healing" through dreams.
i was also looking for info on sleep paralysis and people's interpretations of it. my hare krisna friend believes that it is ghosts or demons feeding off the energies that we give out. i think that it is our own negative emotions bubbling up, but i'm not too sure. i was really looking for people who had a greater understanding of this stuff to talk with because i have had some pretty intense sleep paralysis experiences and experienced lucidity by accident. i'm now begining to realise that maybe it wasn't accidental and that i need to learn more.
i would also like to know from experienced dreamers, what benefits lucid dreaming and such has brought to their lives, other than fun dreams or greater control or fighting night stalkers? has it enabled anybody out there in any other ways? i find this stuff pretty fascinating, but there is a lot of random stuff on this forum to dredge through to find info.
i've read a lot of castenadas books, but not "the art of dreaming"....i'm currently reading "out of body experiences" by janet mitchell. can anyone reccomend any other reading material that is beneficial for understanding this stuff?

sleep paralysis is something I have since I knew myself.
It can be pretty frightened if you don't know what it is.

Actually it is very easy to explain:
Your body is already asleep, while your mind is awake.
Hell yes, it is a weird feeling! But that's all.

Please for your owns sake, stick to the books which are taught in schools and universities.
I know you may feel insulted now, but forget all this mumbo jumbo from reiki and similar esoteric stuff.

You can heal yourself in your dreams, that's plausible. Everything else is far fetched and belongs more to religious thinking.

Stick to the facts and leave a "but maybe..." in the background.

take care

no not insulted, i'm already aware of your explanation of what sleep paralysis is, and sorry those 10 words are not enough for me. i would like to ask if you have ever experienced any "mumbo jumbo" like reiki? it's not really esoteric...and i'm agnostic...don't believe in "religion". i believe that there is more to this universe than what we can see or rationally explain, and i'm interested in discourse not advice. oh. and honesty.

Originally Posted by dweezil

...basically i wondered if anyone else on here had any experience of "healing" through dreams...

Yes, absolutely! True healing occurs in the psyche and dreams are a very promising place for that to be able to happen.

Regarding the SP - I definitely think you should regard that as an opportunity. As far as the "nasties" - We could probably debate and speculate and theorize for quite a while about what they are and never all agree, but I think the consensus would be that they can't hurt you, that it is only a matter of overcoming your fear.

honesty swings with every word I say.
You got your answer to my point of view in term of "sleep paralysis", which is by the way an experience it took me 30 years to find out, before I read about it in some books.
It is just that and nothing more, if you're comfty with putting other meanings into it, I'm fine. All I offered you was what you asked for: the info and explanation of some other people.

I also gave you my experience and oppinion an healing yourself in dreams.

If you are interested in OBE, please check this site: http://www.lucidcrossroads.co.uk/

I think there you'll find more answers.

take care

I realise you're probably looking for a deeper explanation of sleep paralysis but it truly is a physical condition that every person experiences every night... as you have probably read, this is to prevent us from acting out our dreams.

However, this condition can be used to pursue other things like OBE, lucid dreaming, astral projection and no doubt lots of other things... if you can stay awake during the sleep paralysis and learn to control it.

So ultimately, although SP is quite normal, you can do abnormal things if you stay awake during it and control it.

All the best! I think you'll find your answers if you persist in your efforts.

Yes, I see that I misunderstood your question. Sorry about that.

Seems like you got explained sleep paralysis pretty well. Even though sleep paralysis itself is just a physical thing, I believe it can be a gateway to other things like OBEs.

You asked about healing in dreams. I believe it's possible. I sometimes do mental healing in lucid dreams, by having pleasant dreams, but also focusing on what's bothering me. I have problems with anxiety, and even though anxiety healing dreams for me don't have a permanent effect, it has a temporary effect.

thanks everyone for your feedback.
in response to aniki, i'm not trying to put any kind meaning on sleep paralysis itself, that would be silly. but our individual experiences during paralysis are unique to us, as are people's fear, shame, anxiety and other emotions. everyone seems to agree, that if we can face the fear during sleep paralysis, it can become something wonderful. has anyone felt a change in themselves during waking hours as a result of gaining this freedom and personal power? luminous seems to, even if it is not a full time thing, that's pretty amazing no? have you?
i don't have any firm ideas or belief on this stuff, i'm just learning. but i like detailed answers : ) i also like reading the books, not the computer screens, i'm quite the ludite. but i do appreciate the links posted and i will check them out!

Hey, check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia
It's about SP.

take care

i've read that stuff about a million times. yes everyone feels a "presence" or feels someone sitting on their chest or whatever...but for one person that presence may be a vampire and for another person it's a wild cat. that is the individual part, just like we all dream stuff relevant to our own lives. like the other day when i dreamed i was giving my new friends wildflower seeds.

ok, so you are searching for the meanings behind of this?
you think it is linked to the psyche and how it appears it is maybe a fingerprint of your inner self?

All the latest researches confirm that we need to sleep in order to dream and we use dreams to deal with psychological problems. Without sleeping and dreaming we would all become ( eventually) psychotic.

I have healed myself ( psychologically ) many times in my LD. In fact the first LD was created by myself for healing.

Happy exploring your dream world.

Originally Posted by annsie

All the latest researches confirm that we need to sleep in order to dream and we use dreams to deal with psychological problems. Without sleeping and dreaming we would all become ( eventually) psychotic.

I have healed myself ( psychologically ) many times in my LD. In fact the first LD was created by myself for healing.

Happy exploring your dream world.

Well, these are just theories.
There are people which cannot sleep.

Check out this Vietnamese guy:
http://www.thanhniennews.com/feature...0&newsid=12673

He's sleepless since more than 30 years now.

Originally Posted by aniki

Well, these are just theories.
There are people which cannot sleep.

Check out this Vietnamese guy:
http://www.thanhniennews.com/feature...0&newsid=12673

He's sleepless since more than 30 years now.

Just so you know, I am actually Vietnamese and I have read the story in the local papers in Vietnamese. Firstly its what this man CLAIMS to do, there has been no scientific research to confirm his claim. He refuses to have tests done claiming that he is scared of tests. Reports say he does sit down to rest during the day. Also the latest report says that since Oct 2006 he has started to feel unwell.


There are several probables here :

1- The man made it up for monetary gain.
2- He has several microsleep during the day.
3- There is a possibility that his life span will be gravely affected, he may suddenly drop dead any day.
4- He does not use much mental brain power and his life is relatively stress free, which contribute to a reduced need for rest/sleep.
5- At several times during the day he may be functioning on autopilot, in a hypnotic type of trance/sleep.
6- REM does occur during waking hours when the body slows down and rest. He might have more of those
7- There is always exception. To cite an one off exception as proof that other proven hypothesis are not valid is not valid in itself. You cant say that there ARE PEOPLE who can not sleep when there is so far only one reported.
.

Again, you are supposing things and presenting them as a truth.
These are theories and not facts.

What I tried to say in my clumsy way is not to get stuck on a theory.

It was not my intention to insult you in any way.

Originally Posted by aniki

Well, these are just theories.
There are people which cannot sleep.

Check out this Vietnamese guy:
http://www.thanhniennews.com/feature...0&newsid=12673

He's sleepless since more than 30 years now.

Originally Posted by aniki

Again, you are supposing things and presenting them as a truth.
These are theories and not facts.

What I tried to say in my clumsy way is not to get stuck on a theory.

It was not my intention to insult you in any way.

I was not insulted by your posts, and I am not trying insult you here either, I am simply debating what you said. You said " There are people who can not sleep " citing ONE example, then you said " He's sleepless more than 30 years " but there has been no scientific tests to confirm this.

I am surprised you accused me of supposing things and presenting them as truth while you did exactly that. How do you KNOW that what this sleepless man claimed was the TRUTH. What proof have you got of that ?

Regarding my first post, these theories have been proven. There have been research programs where people ( college students ) who were not allowed to dream by being waken up at night every time they entered REM sleep, after a few days they started to get cranky, grumpy, tired and unable to concentrate; after a few more days they started to hallucinate, having anxiety attacks and palpitations.

In my second post, I said " PROBABLE ", I was not supposing anything. I was just offering possible factors behind this mans claim.

In summary, I posted on theories that had been tested and proven, while what you posted was nothing more than a single mans claim which had not even been tested, let alone proven. Who is the one presenting theory as fact here ?

Ok, I assume you are a scientist or something. You're pretty accurate in dismembering my sentences and giving the words a meaning and your way of presenting things. Nothing against it, but maybe you're taking it to serious at this particular place.

English is not my native language as it's not for many of us. So misunderstandings are to be expected.

I didn't meant to disprove some theories by presenting one guy as evidence.

It is more like "Hey check this out, that dude haven't slept for 30 years! Isn't that cool?"
and just to show that there are maybe some exeptions in this world, which do not fit in a theory.

Yes, you said that we would (eventually) get psychotic without dreams.
But my answer was not supposed opponing you in that way.
I think that I'd go mad without having sleep for two days, but hey, maybe I just need to get some practice?

Your presentation left a feeling that what you are talking about are facts. It is the manner in how you choose your words for the post.

If you allow me this critic, many of the people could take your words for truth and do something motivated by your sayings. It sounds reasonable, ah yes, there's a scientific proof, too, so this person knows about it for sure.
Did you know that there are mathematicians which really proved that 1+1=2 ?
Sounds crazy, but it's very hard.

If you so will, with my comment I tried to dilute your words a little, to bring in an option, as it cuts in like a blade.

friends?

thanks annsie! if you would like to talk more get in touch, you have sparked my curiosity!

Of course we are friends !

I am not a scientist , worse, I am a doctor so yes I am very used to be giving out "orders" and I instinctively use words in a way which will make people sit up and listen. Its just what I do every day as part of my job and it has become my second nature. English is my 4th language so I am fully aware there is always the possibility of misunderstanding.

I do take things seriously even when on internet and in forums such as this and I have been criticised many times as people felt " vibrated" by my words.

I do however have a concern over certain harms that can be done by inaccurate information. Some people are very gullible and they actually do believe what they read online.

When you said that " there are people who can not sleep" and quoted the story of this Vietnamese guy, you sounded like " not sleeping does not cause harm and you dont really need to sleep" which potentially could do harm to people who choose to believe that. If people choose to believe me that lack of sleep can lead to psychosis and they make sure they sleep better, there is no harm in it, only good.

HUGS !

Originally Posted by dweezil

thanks annsie! if you would like to talk more get in touch, you have sparked my curiosity!

You are welcome, I am happy to help anytime if I can.

There are many ways to heal, dreaming and hypnotism have certainly been used and found to be effective for many people. Your therapist seems to be quite well versed in it, she should be able to guide you step by step.

emmmm, i just meant about dream experiences...i don't want to discuss personal stuff with anyone on here.

Originally Posted by dweezil

emmmm, i just meant about dream experiences...i don't want to discuss personal stuff with anyone on here.

Of course not, thats why I said your therapist plays the most important role. About my healing dream experiences, PM me if you would like more details.

Good luck with it all.