Making people/things disapear

[Jonathan_A]

I have been having LD 1-2 a forghtnight and am finding controling my dreams easier and easier. I can easily make people appear (by phoneing them) and objects (By thinking where the logical place for them is) but i find it immposible to make them disapear, any methods that work for people? and also is there a different or similar method for making objects disapear or should i just move them?

[The Cusp]

I have a method to make things disappear that seems to work consistently for everyone who's tried it. The strange thing is that making things disappear wasn't the intended result, it just happens to work that way. So, Carlos Castaneda wrote some books with dreaming tips, one of which was called The Art of Dreaming. The true purpose of this technique is to try to see the underlying energy of objects in dreams. The theory is that everything real has an energy to it that can be seen with practice. But because dreams are figments of our imagination, the majority of dream elements will have no energy behind them. In the books he claims that there are real elements that can enter you dreams which do have energy, but I don't want to get into that. So, since dream things have no energy, trying to see their energy will cause them to disappear. He never mention things disappearing in the books, but focused more on things that actually did have energy. I've tried it and have gotten other people to try it with the same results of making things disappear. This is odd because normally you'd expect the dream to follow your expectations and create some kind of visual energy for you to see. The Method: Point your little finger and an object or DC, and declare your intent to see it's energy. What happens is the target dissolves into a mist or fog. I assume this is because it has no energy to be seen. In my experience, very large objects will change into something of a similar theme, only a little smaller. I previously assumed if you keep trying to see this new, smaller object's energy, it will keep getting smaller until it disappears into mist like the others. But in retrospect, I'm not entirely sure, and need to verify that aspect. If anyone does try this, pleas PM me with the results. Of course if the object doesn't disappear and you actually do see energy of some sort, ignore it and get the hell away from it for the time being. And PM me with a description of the energetic shape. Like any lucid ability of skill, this technique sometimes fails for no apparent reason, but keep trying. I swear even though it may sound like a load of crap, for whatever reason, it works.

[NASCAR]

why is seeing it bad?

[Conquer]

.. Because that would mean you're tripping out, that your mind thinks there is real energy coming from the object. Things in real life are constantly vibrating, having atom collisions constantly. In dreams however, things do not have energy to them because they are all projected from your subconcious. So it wouldn't make sense, after all, your mind can't think of imaginary sight, sound, touch, taste, and smell at the same time, can it?

[imj]

I have been having LD 1-2 a forghtnight and am finding controling my dreams easier and easier. I can easily make people appear (by phoneing them) and objects (By thinking where the logical place for them is) but i find it immposible to make them disapear, any methods that work for people? and also is there a different or similar method for making objects disapear or should i just move them? Why would you want to waste your time making things disappear instead of appearing? Just ignore it and it'll disappear. IMJ

[NASCAR]

Actually, this is what he sent me in a PM: It's not necessarily bad. In Castaneda's books, the energy generating things in dreams they focused on were called "Inorganic Beings", which want to feed off your energy, and also try trap you physically in their realm for ever. Their energy bodies are supposed to be stick shaped. Check out the book "The Art of Dreaming" which you can find in most libraries. The only other energy generating beings I can think of would be other people in some sort of shared dream. Human energy bodies are supposed to be egg shaped. I've yet to see either, but I never remember to try to see energy in dreams as often as I'd like And actually, focusing on this: It's not necessarily bad. In Castaneda's books, the energy generating things in dreams they focused on were called "Inorganic Beings", which want to feed off your energy, and also try trap you physically in their realm for ever. Their energy bodies are supposed to be stick shaped. Check out the book "The Art of Dreaming" which you can find in most libraries. Note the physically part, since you are never physically in a dream, just mentally, there is no risk. So don't get afraid of dreaming like I did last night. I thought it over, and eventually came to the conclusion that I am protected (religion alert) by Jesus from things like that (religion alert)

[Jonathan_A]

Why would you want to waste your time making things disappear instead of appearing? Just ignore it and it'll disappear. IMJ mainly because i find i sometimes there is a wall stoping me from geting somewhere and if it is easier to make the wall disapear than a door apear then it would be good knowledge to have and also i find it hard to ignore something when its stoping me from doing what i want. And thanks for the method, The Cusp, i'll be sure to try that out and post feedback in this thread as soon as i can try it out.