Dreamless sleep

[Insaniteh]

Well i've bin reading on some forums about 'dreamless' sleep and how it happend to them once and how funny it is. What I exactly mean by dreamless sleep is falling asleep and waking like no time has passed by. Well welcome to my world , I have this ALL the time and it is not very funny. That was when I didn't know anything about lding and all , now sometimes i remember 20sec of a dream or a weird glimpse or 'sense' that I had a dream difficult to explain. So anyone got any advice ? I already keep a dreamjournal Grtz

[somar514]

Man this has been happening to me A LOT lately. During the summers since I'd come home late I'd already be tired and fall asleep as soon as I'd hit the sheets and it'd be easier for me to have a Lucid Dream. I'm guessing THINK more of what your intentions are in your dream and only that.

[iank]

Happens to me all the time. My dream recall still sucks, let alone trying to have a lucid!

[Abra]

Keep going. You are doing the right thing! Over time, your recall will improve. It's not that you aren't putting in enough effort (it sounds like you are, if you keep a dream journal!), it's just that you need to give your brain time to learn this new memory skill. Within a few weeks (given a relatively constant sleep schedule), your recall should climb.

[lucid4sho]

I've only had that happen once in my life, I was camping and we smoked an enormous amount of weed in a very sealed and small tent. I passed out and next thing I knew it was 12 hours later and I really thought only a second had passed when I woke up.

[Insaniteh]

Is it because I sleep to long? Or to deep ? Could one of these be the problem?

[lucid4sho]

Is it because I sleep to long? Or to deep ? Could one of these be the problem? It sounds like you might be an overly deep sleeper. I would experiment with a nicotine patch to see if it makes you sleep lighter and lengthen your REM periods. Its worth a shot.

[dreamscaper22]

you could try setting your alarm every 3 hours....so you dont go into an REM cycle

[lucid4sho]

you could try setting your alarm every 3 hours....so you dont go into an REM cycle The first REM stage occurs after around 90 mins. Plus you can't avoid rem by waking up before it occurs because your body values REM above all stages so it will start to skip the deep sleep stages just so you get more REM, as polyphasic sleeping has proven. Not to mention this makes no sense because he wants more REM since he is having dreamless sleep.

[RunflaCruiser]

If possible maybe you could wake up early (like 4 am) for 2-3 days. This will starve your body of rem sleep. Then on the 4th day sleep in big time and your body should strive to balance itself, and hopefully give you some super dream sleep.

[dreamscaper22]

i mearly said that because that was advice i was given to improve recall i am sorry if i offended you i guess i was misinformed

[lucid4sho]

i mearly said that because that was advice i was given to improve recall i am sorry if i offended you i guess i was misinformed No biggy, live & learn.

[imj]

Well i've bin reading on some forums about 'dreamless' sleep and how it happend to them once and how funny it is. What I exactly mean by dreamless sleep is falling asleep and waking like no time has passed by. Well welcome to my world , I have this ALL the time and it is not very funny. That was when I didn't know anything about lding and all , now sometimes i remember 20sec of a dream or a weird glimpse or 'sense' that I had a dream difficult to explain. So anyone got any advice ? I already keep a dreamjournal Grtz Sounds like waking up during deep sleep. I did that on purpose using a light cue that was set to go off during deep sleep and it felt like I just closed my eyes and opened them but an hour had passed when I checked the timer. What could have happened to you is this....Stage1, Stage2, Stage3 or Stage4 (You wake up), (go back to sleep) Stage2, REM (you don't remember). IMJ IMJ

[Insaniteh]

Thx for the replys , So what exactly do you suggest me to do imj? Its frustrating to me , although I know one of the worst things I could do is get frustrated with it. Last night I had a 5-10sec memory and quickly typed it in my cellphone because me pen didn't work anymore ( for my dj ). I've never really had any dreams few years back ( still in school ), i always felt 'bad' when I had to go to bed because It was eyes close - eyes open and time for school. I have written lots in my dj , 95% are really short. But I dont write in it all the time (always when I remember a dream when I wake up ) but when I dont remember anything I dont and then a its a dryspell for few days or weeks. Maybe I should try WBTB? I could be overly tired and sleeping to deep ( what I deff do ). Or something else? Suggestions anyone? Grtz

[imj]

Have you tried vit B complex pills? They may iron out your unusual awakening and give you a better nights sleep with dreams. Just remember not to take them just before bed and follow the directed dose on the bottle. IMJ

[Siиdяed]

Welcome to the forums.

[Insaniteh]

Thx for the reply , I haven't tried vitamin B , can you buy them at a medical store? Quick question , what would be the ideal time to wake up the first time? Grtz

[Atrox]

Before trying out any pharmaceutical means, I'd just take it easy and give it some time. I used to be a very deep sleeper, remembering not more than one or two dreams a month. It took me a few weeks to reach the level of remembering one dream per night, but it was feasible. If you just go on with your dream journal, have clear intentions without stressing yourself (telling yourself "I will remember my dreams." before falling asleep works for me) and maybe use a few helpful tricks*, you'll improve your dream recall soon enough. Some things just cannot be forced directly, but need some time. * The trick that eventually worked for me was the glass of water: Before going to bed, fill a glass with water and drink half of it, telling yourself that you will/want to recall your dreams (while focusing on the now only half-full glass). In the morning, drink the rest and wait for the memories to appear.

[iank]

I think you can buy Vitamin B from most supermarkets, even. Another dreamless sleep for me last night. It's depressing. Fat chance of having a lucid if I can't even remember normal ones!

[Insaniteh]

Thx atrox , what did you do to become more of a light sleeper? And if I don't remember anything in the morning what should I write into my dreamjournal? Iank , I feel ya very depressing indeed especially when you look at people who never heard of lucid dreaming and already have had them.

[imj]

Thx atrox , what did you do to become more of a light sleeper? And if I don't remember anything in the morning what should I write into my dreamjournal? Iank , I feel ya very depressing indeed especially when you look at people who never heard of lucid dreaming and already have had them. Don't be envious of others who can LD. It makes it worse, just think of the possibility of it happening, it's only a matter of how and when. I had to struggle for months before I had my first LD while my dad had one that night after I told him about LDing...... Your lack of dream recall could be stress induced by your daily routine or about LDing. I remember my dream recall sucked big time for weeks when I knew of LDing because I tried to have LDs by 'trying' to have them. You may want to try some nature sounds before sleep like rain or something light, it sure would put you in a relaxed mood. IMJ

[imj]

Thx for the reply , I haven't tried vitamin B , can you buy them at a medical store? Quick question , what would be the ideal time to wake up the first time? Grtz If you are not fussy about utilizing every REM period to LD then best time is after 3rd REM which is after like 5 or 6 hours of sleep. It's also more likely you will REM without deep sleep or very little of it so that also means more effective delivery of your intentions to LD. But if your planning to use every REM to LD then it's ideal to wake up after first REM which is about 1.5 hours later after you fell asleep. IMJ

[Xyster]

Oh wow, I didn't know that this was that common, I recall one time that as soon as my head hit the pillow to go to sleep, I woke up to go to school, my excact expression was, "wtf just happened."

[guitarboy]

Is it because I sleep to long? Or to deep ? Could one of these be the problem? yes, but it can be because you wake up while you are not dreaming.

[Evo]

Hey. If possible, you should try to stay up all night and crash in the daytime or whatever time is irregular for you. I've found, and other people seem to have found the same thing, that when you go to sleep at a time like this, it does something to the body/brains' sleep patterns(rem related?) and i've had numerous ld's in this way. imj mentioned waking up and then going back to sleep, this seems to work too. For dream recall in general, ditto to the advice already given and I would add that, as stupid as it sounds, positive reinforcement, like 'I will remember tonights dreams', is a good habit to get into. This,along with a journal and time, it will happen. As a footnote, someone was mentioning smoking pot and having no recall - smoking weed is the worst thing you can do if you are after dream recall. Good luck eh, cheers.Ev.