Thread: Christanity and Lucidicity?

An excellent argument :bravo:

Originally Posted by Shift

An excellent argument :bravo:

Oh yeah, your disagreement was elucidated* in so much more detail.

*Excuse pun

Your description does not hold true for any of the 40+ scientists/researchers that I know. So, I disagree. It's a bad generalization.

Personally, I can't prove that OBE's do exist or that they do not exist. I'd think that if they did exist, somebody after all these centuries could once and for all conclusively prove that in a lab. Leave your body, read some text in the next room, tell the lab folks what you read when you're awake and BINGO, you've just won one million dollars from that prize they're still offering for proof of any paranormal ability. But then again, our government DID setup an agency to investigate remote viewing (even though it died) so who knows.

We do know for a fact that lucid dreams exist. I don't see how any religion could condemn them. Everybody dreams, only, lucid dreamers dream at a higher level.

Some people say OBE's exist, some don't. I personally don't think they do, and if they do exist, they are different than Lucid Dreams and I am prety sure don't usually happen by accadent. Explain to your mom that a Lucid Dream is no different than a regular dream, except that you know you are dreaming at the time of the dream. When going to bed keeping your mind awake, you are simply going into a dream while knowing what you are doing instead of having the short "black out" that occurs in between, you are by no means leaving your body.

If you can't convince your mother that they are harmless, I would respect her opinion and quit if she asks you too. If it doesn't bother her, than woot for you!

Oh yes I forgot to add. Almost everyone has had a lucid dream, they probably woke up afterwords but they knew they were dreaming. I myself have been doing this all my life.
My dad is also a natural lucid dreamer. I know God wouldn't give me the ability to control my dreams if it is satanic/evil.

If you can't convince your mother that they are harmless, I would respect her opinion and quit if she asks you too. If it doesn't bother her, than woot for you!

Excuse me, are you f***ing kidding me? You're telling him that if he can't explain LDing to his close-minded superstitious misled mother, he should give up something that can give him once-in-a-lifetime experiences ON COMMAND? There is such a thing as a wrong opinion. If for some reason you don't get that, how about the way people in South USA used to feel about slavery? How can someone's opinion stop you from recognizing dreams? Seriously. It shouldn't be a lucky thing that his mother doesn't mind LD.

There are a few christians here and a few people with christian parents. Christians tend to consider anything that they don't understand the work of evil, so just keep it quiet. There's nothing wrong with it and you won't be able to convince skeptics unless they have one themselves.

Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

Excuse me, are you f***ing kidding me? You're telling him that if he can't explain LDing to his close-minded superstitious misled mother, he should give up something that can give him once-in-a-lifetime experiences ON COMMAND?

I'm with -InsaneKid- on the point that someone, especially while living under their parent's roof, should honor their parents. That includes following their direction. However, in the case where you're dealing with the topic of dreams in general, there's not a whole lot one can do aside from ignoring the dreams. If someone is faced with a parent who believes that lucid dreaming is bad, it is a matter of explaining what it is in a rational and logical way.

Personally, I think that it's often a trust issue between the parent and child. If the parent trusts their kid to make good decisions, then they shouldn't have a problem with the idea of being consciously aware and making decisions in dreams. If the parent doesn't trust their kid, it makes sense that they would fear that the young man/lady would do something "wrong" while lucid. There are those who just feel that dreaming is evil in general, and with them, all you can do is tell them that it's not and hope for the best.

I don't like the idea of going behind the parent's back and blatantly disrespecting them, but to be completely honest, there's not a whole lot that can be done if a parent doesn't want their child to dream any more.