Thread: Platonic relationships...

Originally Posted by Noogah

No, but I'm fortunate enough to be mentored by those who have, and they seem to feel similarly.

They are filling you with lies.

edit: I may or may not have switched around the meanings of platonic and romantic.

Of course, we could always resolve such issues with evidence. Such as the fact that divorce rates are much higher among Christians in the US than atheists or agnostics.

Looks like abstinence is not the key.

Originally Posted by Noogah

No, but I'm fortunate enough to be mentored by those who have, and they seem to feel similarly.

There's an important lesson to be learned in this statement. You're opinions and feelings need to be your own. Even if you feel like you agree with your mentors, somewhere down the line you're going to need to experience these kind of relationships for yourself if you want to verify anything. Taking the word of another as truth without trying to personally verify it can be dangerous for the individual.

Originally Posted by Noogah

Nothing by the way of experience, no. But if everything we learned was through experience, we wouldn't know very much now would we?

Would you let someone perform heart surgery on you, even though he hasn't had any experience with any kind of surgery, but he's read multiple books on the subject? Some things can be learned from books, but some things need to be learned with experience. You can't learn about love from anything but experience.

Originally Posted by Xei

I'm in the UK too, I guarantee you it's 16 with consent, 18 without.

My apologies, you are absolutely correct.

How wonderful. I've been able to get married without consent for well over a year now. My sister will be so pleased.

Originally Posted by Xei

Of course, we could always resolve such issues with evidence. Such as the fact that divorce rates are much higher among Christians in the US than atheists or agnostics.

That would be because Christians actually get married, whereas atheists and agnostics, never weary of rebelling against their creator, simply choose romantic relationships without the ceremonies. So, when the break up, it isn't an actual divorce.

Plus, I don't speak for all "Christians". I am a minority even amongst those who profess to be Christian. Many "Christians" behave little differently from atheists and agnostics, sad as it is.

Originally Posted by Marvo

They are filling you with lies.

Ah, but they can't lie about what I can see. And from what I can see, they are pretty much spot on.

Originally Posted by Invader

You're opinions and feelings need to be your own. Even if you feel like you agree with your mentors, somewhere down the line you're going to need to experience these kind of relationships for yourself if you want to verify anything. Taking the word of another as truth without trying to personally verify it can be dangerous for the individual.

You know, if you tried to personally verify everything you read/heard, you would have to fly around the world, talk with presidents/kings/and tyrants, travel back in time, go to space, and all kinds of other things.

I believe what they say because it makes sense. Not only do they say it, but it seems also that God says it, though, that may not mean much to you; it means very much to me.

Originally Posted by Keresztanya

You can't learn about love from anything but experience.

But, you can learn things from other people's experience as well, and not just your own.



Every post I make becomes a debate.

Originally Posted by Noogah

Every post I make becomes a debate.

That's because everything you write is ludicrous.

Originally Posted by Noogah

You know, if you tried to personally verify everything you read/heard, you would have to fly around the world, talk with presidents/kings/and tyrants, travel back in time, go to space, and all kinds of other things.

I'm talking about subjective experiences. Love is one of those.

Originally Posted by Noogah

That would be because Christians actually get married, whereas atheists and agnostics, never weary of rebelling against their creator, simply choose romantic relationships without the ceremonies. So, when the break up, it isn't an actual divorce.

Nice try, but there is no statistical evidence whatsoever that this is true. Marriage comes with a host of legal and economic benefits which make it a very attractive choice for any committed couple, regardless of religious affiliation.

Originally Posted by Noogah

That would be because Christians actually get married, whereas atheists and agnostics, never weary of rebelling against their creator, simply choose romantic relationships without the ceremonies. So, when the break up, it isn't an actual divorce.

Plus, I don't speak for all "Christians". I am a minority even amongst those who profess to be Christian. Many "Christians" behave little differently from atheists and agnostics, sad as it is.

Actually I think you'll find that you're simply stating that with no evidence at all because of the inherent bias which, as other people in this thread have pointed out to you, has been implanted in you by your peers. If you were truly forming your own opinions you would not act like this.

What you're saying doesn't even make sense. If atheists didn't care about the ceremony, why did they get married in the first place? Bigamy is still a crime, you know; atheists need to divorce to remarry. I don't see why there's any more pressure on atheists than Christians to get a divorce; Catholics aren't even allowed to get divorced!

I think you'll find what's really true is that your opinion of atheists having broken relationships due to irreligion has just been totally blown out of the water. It's time to readjust your views.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Haha, liar...

haha, ok you got me.

Seach the scriptue. Law.

Christ could not have been sent, as a prophet, unless he was married to a prophetess. Law.
What does it mean to cast 7 devils out of a woman?
Why the 7, why seven eyes, seven horns, seven spirits of God?

How many environmental acquisition systems do you have? Are they not all "givers of life"? Metaphors, can only be understood when you see the definition of the word.


Why did his ministry start while at a wedding, it was his.

Plato never married, even though he belived in it. Why? What is a common dysfunction of very high IQ people? Impotence.

Scripture, a woman is the mother of all living. The book of John was written not by John, but enough is left in it to suggest it was written by Christ's wife. There were not 4 women at the cross. Repunctuate it. It was his mother and his wife.

Anyway, if the only path is life, buck up. Cannot live without a woman.

Originally Posted by Noogah

But, you can learn things from other people's experience as well, and not just your own.

Love is not one of those things.

First, I would like to point out that the Bible clearly says that the greatest form of love between people is between to friends willing to die for one another. MAke of that what you will. But it's there.

And in the U.S. the marriage age ranges from state to state. 14 is a pretty common minimum, but 16 is even more prevelant. That is usually with parental consent, but sometimes you can get by with as little as 15 with no consent. Alternatively, there are places where even adults cannot get married without consent until a certain age. Some states allow marriage at 12-13. Them states are crazies.

Originally Posted by DuB

Nice try, but there is no statistical evidence whatsoever that this is true. Marriage comes with a host of legal and economic benefits which make it a very attractive choice for any committed couple, regardless of religious affiliation.

I'm pretty sure people would rather give up those benefits than have to go through complicated divorce papers every time they wanted to swap out a partner.

Originally Posted by Xei

If you were truly forming your own opinions you would not act like this.

Oh, don't be ridiculous. You just can't grasp that someone would come to a different conclusion than the ones you have. Naturally my opinions have been INFLUENCED by my peers (as your own have, I assure you) but not decided by them. And, I don't have many "peers". The larger percentage of my "peers" consist of my siblings and parents.

Originally Posted by Xei

What you're saying doesn't even make sense. If atheists didn't care about the ceremony, why did they get married in the first place?

Well, what I'm saying is, most don't get married. Obviously Im not saying none do, but I think fewer do then Christians. Of course, you will naturally deny this, since now is a convenient occasion to do so. So I won't pursue the point any further.

Originally Posted by Xei

I think you'll find what's really true is that your opinion of atheists having broken relationships due to irreligion has just been totally blown out of the water.

That may be so, but the broken, watered down, and Godless relationships are still there, and quite the trend I might add. Whether "irreligion" is responsible or not (it is) isn't the point.

Originally Posted by spockman

First, I would like to point out that the Bible clearly says that the greatest form of love between people is between to friends willing to die for one another. MAke of that what you will. But it's there.

And that's the point of this entire thread. Platonic relationships (and by that, I mean friendships) are underrated in the light of overrated romantic relationships, which have also been watered down.

Originally Posted by Noogah

Oh, don't be ridiculous. You just can't grasp that someone would come to a different conclusion than the ones you have. Naturally my opinions have been INFLUENCED by my peers (as your own have, I assure you) but not decided by them. And, I don't have many "peers". The larger percentage of my "peers" consist of my siblings and parents.

I'm just saying, nobody's going to buy it when you say that you form your own opinions when your reaction to the hard fact that atheists form stronger relationships than theists is to ignore it rather than reconsider.

Well, what I'm saying is, most don't get married. Obviously Im not saying none do, but I think fewer do then Christians. Of course, you will naturally deny this, since now is a convenient occasion to do so. So I won't pursue the point any further.

Oh boo hoo. I'm not actually in the habit of denial Noogie; all I've done is provided solid facts for you to ruminate on. You on the other hand have ignored said facts and basically talked out of your ass with no substantiation to your claims at all. So don't play the denial card here.

That may be so, but the broken, watered down, and Godless relationships are still there, and quite the trend I might add. Whether "irreligion" is responsible or not (it is) isn't the point.

And your solution of having a mutual and active belief in God and abstaining from 'stupid teen romances' is clearly not the answer. That's all I'm saying.

Originally Posted by Xei

nobody's going to buy it when you say that you form your own opinions when your reaction to the hard fact that atheists form stronger relationships than theists is to ignore it rather than reconsider.

The definition of fact must have changed since the last time I saw it in the dictionary. Not to mention "hard fact".

Originally Posted by Xei

I'm not actually in the habit of denial Noogie; all I've done is provided solid facts for you to ruminate on.

You, sir, have given me statistics without even bothering to list your source, where they apply, to whom they apply, when the statistics were retrieved, and by whom were they taken. I certainly couldn't get away with that.

Not only were they statistics, but they were statistics on divorce rates, which means that the statistics you gave me were not at all an accurate indicator of relationship statuses amongst atheists/theists. Granted, they may (keep in mind may means possibly) be an accurate marital success gauge, but not an accurate relationship indicator. As you well know, many people choose not to marry at all, and to pursue romantic relationships outside of marriage, immoral as it is.

Please do me a small favor and take that into consideration before calling your statistics a "solid fact", or a solid indicator.
You aren't stupid Xei, so don't be stupid because I'm fourteen and you think you can get away with it.

Originally Posted by Xei

And your solution of having a mutual and active belief in God and abstaining from 'stupid teen romances' is clearly not the answer. That's all I'm saying.

Works for the people I know who do it. That's all I'm saying.

Oh, yeah, and a mere belief in God is not enough either. Satan believes in God. There is more to Christianity than believing in God.

...... < < < at this debate...

Let's be nice, ok guys?

Originally Posted by Raspberry

...... < < < at this debate...

Let's be nice, ok guys?

Oh, raspberry. So young and naive in the ways of Dv. This is pretty mild, really. You'll learn. They all learn... And I weep for it.

Originally Posted by spockman

Oh, raspberry. So young and naive in the ways of Dv. This is pretty mild, really. You'll learn. They all learn... And I weep for it.

Originally Posted by spockman

Oh, raspberry. So young and naive in the ways of Dv. This is pretty mild, really. You'll learn. They all learn... And I weep for it.

I better learn pretty swiftly if I get caught up in a debate any time soon

and also; *gives spockman a tissue*

Originally Posted by Noogah

That would be because Christians actually get married, whereas atheists and agnostics, never weary of rebelling against their creator, simply choose romantic relationships without the ceremonies. So, when the break up, it isn't an actual divorce.

Unless I am mistaken, divorce rates are calculated the number of MARRIGES that end in divorce.

And being atheistic, agnostic or otherwise, has nothing to do with rebelling against a creator. How can you rebel against something you don't believe exists?

Originally Posted by Raspberry

...... < < < at this debate...

Let's be nice, ok guys?

I advise you never to step foot into R/S. You should have seen it back when UM and Noogah were really going at it.

I miss UM

Originally Posted by Marvo

What does a "platonic relationship" even mean?

It is a mentor/student relationship similar to the one between Plato and Socrates. Hence the term "platonic."