Thread: Anonymous Threatens Sony

I am glad that Anonymous is taking action against sony. Sonys actions are un-acceptable. I think I should have the right to do as I wish with my Ps3 or any other sony device, without having the worry of being banned or worse. Anyone else agree?

Awesomeness

Wow really?

I do remember when the PS3's had to be updated because someone hacked their PS3 to install Linux as a hacking technique. I could maybe understand them wanting to secure that to prevent piracy, but this still upset a lot of people who held important documents and such like a regular computer.

We'll see what happens.

what the hell is a ps3?

Originally Posted by louie54

I do remember when the PS3's had to be updated because someone hacked their PS3 to install Linux as a hacking technique.

I thought that was actually supported (like, you could do it through their online service).

EDIT: oh wait, looks like that's been discontinued: Sony's PS3 Drops Linux; Why You Should Care

Originally Posted by Replicon

I thought that was actually supported (like, you could do it through their online service).

EDIT: oh wait, looks like that's been discontinued: Sony's PS3 Drops Linux; Why You Should Care

Yeah same thing with the PSP's. They have been doing many upgrades to prevent hacking. Which means no kitten cannon

I never planned on doing this anyway. Why would I risk turning my little portable into a brick?

Consoles will be redundant in a decade or less anyway.

i've been thinking about that a lot lately. i can't imagine what the sub will be, though.
beamed right into the head, maybe?

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

i've been thinking about that a lot lately. i can't imagine what the sub will be, though.
beamed right into the head, maybe?

I mean that consoles are already pretty pointless. Why buy a whole CPU, GPU, etc. etc., when it's already there in your PC? Consoles are literally just PCs, except with set components that you can't update.

In the next few years, what I imagine we'll see is integration. Movies, music, gaming, internet, communications, basically all modern media, only truly require one central device; everything else is just peripherals.

The key to understanding what a console is is in the first three letters of the word, and the legions of fanboys who can't work this simple fact out are idiots. Consoles are in their death throes and I imagine Sony know that.

Originally Posted by Xei

I mean that consoles are already pretty pointless. Why buy a whole CPU, GPU, etc. etc., when it's already there in your PC? Consoles are literally just PCs, except with set components that you can't update.

In the next few years, what I imagine we'll see is integration. Movies, music, gaming, internet, communications, basically all modern media, only truly require one central device; everything else is just peripherals.

The key to understanding what a console is is in the first three letters of the word, and the legions of fanboys who can't work this simple fact out are idiots. Consoles are in their death throes and I imagine Sony know that.

I do agree with this. When I have the money I am planning on buying a pc suitable for running games. Mainly, because I am into mods and console controls. I've miss such things ever since my pc stopped being able to run newer games and we started getting consoles...

Oh, and I know how to download and use torrents. So games, movies, etc. won't cost me a dime.

Originally Posted by Xei

I mean that consoles are already pretty pointless. Why buy a whole CPU, GPU, etc. etc., when it's already there in your PC? Consoles are literally just PCs, except with set components that you can't update.

In the next few years, what I imagine we'll see is integration. Movies, music, gaming, internet, communications, basically all modern media, only truly require one central device; everything else is just peripherals.

The key to understanding what a console is is in the first three letters of the word, and the legions of fanboys who can't work this simple fact out are idiots. Consoles are in their death throes and I imagine Sony know that.

Except that console gaming is stronger than ever and PC gaming is dying.

Holographic gaming rooms are my guess.

God, I hope I'm right!

It's not like you had any games to play on it anyway.

Right, PC gaming has been on the threshold of dying for a decade or more apparently. Yet PCs still get the best versions of the best games.

That's not even relevant really. Anybody who thinks consoles will last is being about as myopic as the people who thought that flints would last after matches were invented, or video tapes would last after DVDs and the internet. It really takes a spectacular lack of vision. Redundant technologies never last.

Originally Posted by Xei

Anybody who thinks consoles will last is being about as myopic as the people who thought that flints would last after matches were invented, or video tapes would last after DVDs and the internet. It really takes a spectacular lack of vision.

Actually I think it is your view that is too narrow if you think that gaming consoles are equivalent to stripped-down gaming PCs, simply because they both rely on similar hardware and run similar games. They fill different market niches and both are here to stay. One of the advantages that consoles have over PCs (and presumably one of the major reasons that console game sales are increasingly outpacing PC game sales--see below) is that they are much easier to have as an activity during a real-life social gathering. Inviting some friends over to have some beers and play the latest FPS game is a lot easier and less of a headache than organizing a LAN party (speaking as someone who has done both plenty of times).

We can also bring data to bear on this question. Here are some data I found that some guy compiled from the following sources:http://www.theesa.com/archives/2005/...ter_and_vi.php
http://www.theesa.com/archives/2004/...r_and_vi_1.php
http://www.theesa.com/archives/2003/...r_and_vi_3.php
DFC Intelligence Press Release
DFC Intelligence Press Release
It doesn't take a statistician to evaluate these trends:
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Originally Posted by Xei

Right, PC gaming has been on the threshold of dying for a decade or more apparently. Yet PCs still get the best versions of the best games.

That's not even relevant really. Anybody who thinks consoles will last is being about as myopic as the people who thought that flints would last after matches were invented, or video tapes would last after DVDs and the internet. It really takes a spectacular lack of vision. Redundant technologies never last.

I'm talking about market trends. I work in an electronics store right now, the PC gaming section is about a quarter the size (at most) of the console gaming section. It's not what people buy.

Come on DuB: 5 year old data, spanning just 8 years, only 5 years of which showing a downward trend; and this in the extremely fast changing world of technology. That's enough to decide on a pattern? True to the lessons that many a statistician has learned, as of 2010 PC game sales bounced back to 1,600M, rather than following those 'obvious trends':

PC News: PC game sales hit record high in 2010 - report - ComputerAndVideoGames.com

"The report concludes that the global PC game business will continue to grow at a pace of nine percent compound annual growth rate to $23 billion (£14.1b) by 2014.

Matt Ployhar, PCGA president and Intel analyst, said of the findings: "The spotlight has definitely shifted back to the PC game market. A few of the biggest factors fuelling this movement are innovative business models making games more accessible with digital distribution, free to play, and online; along with game formats embracing the shifts occurring in the evolution of the PC ecosystem to remain more profitable."

My main point though is that the niche is clearly not sustainable. Already my family is regularly using the internet and a USB stick as a means to HD movies, rather than discs; and we record live TV directly onto a hard drive. Just compare this to where we were 5 years ago, and that to 10. When the UK gets a new broadband network fast enough to stream HD movies in a couple of years, no doubt the already tenuous gap between the internet and video will be ready to disappear. Consoles themselves are doing stuff that foreshadows the integration that will kill them, PS3s now also functioning as blue ray players among other things.

You use an analogy based on your past experiences with gaming but I was talking about technology which isn't common yet. There was nothing you mentioned that was inherent to consoles or the PC; you just used the historical tendency of LAN parties happening on PCs and gaming with friends in a room happening on consoles. You say that this is the niche, but what exactly is inherent about this to consoles? When there is proper integration with a PC and home media, your big living room screen will be connected to a central PC; you click on the icon for your game, hand out the controllers, and off you go. Honestly, am I missing something?

As memory and CPU becomes more and more abundant, consoles become redundant. All consoles are nowadays, literally, is a box, with a CPU, GPU, memory, disc player, internet connection, and controllers. What are computers? Uhh... exactly the same, sans the peripherals, and you don't get sued when you update a part? The only thing left in the far future for Sony is making peripheral devices (although no doubt there are still leaps, bounds, and buckets of cash to be made there).

The data is obviously not definitive--I found it in about 10 seconds and thought it satisfactory seeing as I'm not publishing a market analysis here. Regarding the rebound of PC sales you mentioned: to be clear, I'm not making the case that PC gaming is dying, I'm making the case that console gaming isn't. As I said, I think that both are here to stay (for the foreseeable future).

It is not at all obvious to me that the console niche is not sustainable. For one thing, consoles are much cheaper than equivalently gaming-capable computer systems, and that can never change: as cheap as computers become, gaming consoles will always be significantly cheaper. And their more limited functionality makes them simple to use. That limited functionality, of course, is the trade-off. But do you think that there is a possible future in which no one will be willing to make that trade-off? Consider also that most children and teenagers care a lot more about being able to play high-quality video games than they do about whether they have a word processor. Is that going to change in the future? Assuming it doesn't, that will remain a source of demand for consoles over full PCs. There are also differences in the availability of particular games across gaming systems. Let's imagine how many people own both some computer games and some console games, and then let's imagine how many own one but not the other. The reason the former category outnumbers the latter is that even if someone generally prefers one to the other (such as PC gaming over console gaming), it only takes the existence of one or two really good games that they can't access on their preferred system in order for it to make good sense to invest in both. Finally, many gaming companies favor consoles because it is more difficult for people to pirate console games than PC games, so their profit is more secure.

All of these things (and probably more) would have to change in order for the console niche not to be sustainable (on a realistic time scale).

Originally Posted by Spartiate

I'm talking about market trends. I work in an electronics store right now, the PC gaming section is about a quarter the size (at most) of the console gaming section. It's not what people buy.

Well, videogame stores are dying too, of course, just like the internet has pretty much destroyed Blockbuster in a matter of years. You need to bear in mind the new forms for distribution and how that skews things; all my (brother's) Wii games are from stores, whilst all of the PC games I've bought in the last few years have been from Steam, which totally bypasses traditional vendors.

Originally Posted by Xei

whilst all of the PC games I've bought in the last few years

How many?

I think this discussion is going

But, I won't intervene.

Sony has also implemented this thing where in some movies the (company who makes the thing) put this code in the audio, or a specific sound, which the PS3 recognises and stops playing the movie. So fucking dumb.
I don't know what they're doing.
And I agree consoles will die.
Or at least change so significantly that they no longer resemble consoles. However, desktop computers will do the same.

I predict a converging of all these devices, in to a similar device to what we laughingly call a mobile "phone" now.
It will basically be a small device which can call people, connect to the internet and play music and videos etc. and output video to a TV/holographic room, among various other things such as car windscreens which will be used to display your route like a GPS device does now and probably also translate for you, connect with the other devices and allow you to watch porn.

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I am going to keep my eye on this. Hopefully anonymous fucks sony over.

Originally Posted by Ish

I am going to keep my eye on this. Hopefully anonymous fucks sony over.

You can't be serious.

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

You can't be serious.

You're such a corporate bitch.