What is beyond space?

**Wayfaerer** · 04-21-2011 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

like an expanding bubble. But space is just the surface of the bubble, not the contents of the bubble. If we bump this up a dimension so that the surface of the bubble is three dimensional then the depth would be fourth dimensional. If we bump it up dimensions so the surface is 4th dimensional then the depth would represent the 5th dimension.
Anyway, I am not claiming this is true or anything, it is just a way that I can imagine it. Of course then we have the same problem in the higher dimension: "What is beyond space?" if we are talking about 4th or 5th dimensional space.

Very well put. I've thought about this too though the concept of more "dimensions" have been becoming more and more concerning to me, especially considering time.

**Philosopher8659** · 04-21-2011 02:02 AM

LxAnn: Well, I don't like my head ripped off and shoved up my ass, it tends to tear the toilet paper.

If the ideas were easy, education today would be completely differnt. In fact, human psychology would be different. Language and psychology walk hand in hand.

**LxANN** · 04-21-2011 02:05 AM

Phil:
I didn't mean for you to get upset, I'm sorry.

**Philosopher8659** · 04-21-2011 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by LxANN

Phil:
I didn't mean for you to get upset, I'm sorry.

I am not upset, as I said, I am sad and frustrated. There are ideas awaiting man, then things will get better.

**LxANN** · 04-21-2011 02:08 AM

Can you explain to me some ideas, so maybe I can make an effort to look into them?

**Philosopher8659** · 04-21-2011 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by LxANN

Can you explain to me some ideas, so maybe I can make an effort to look into the?

http://www.archive.org/download/Lang...Experience.pdf
Or follow my link for a whole bunch of audiobooks.

**LxANN** · 04-21-2011 02:13 AM

Thank you. I will start reading.

**Philosopher8659** · 04-21-2011 02:16 AM

Thank you for listening.

**tommo** · 04-21-2011 04:33 AM

Lmao

**Tara** · 04-21-2011 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

I am not upset, as I said, I am sad and frustrated.

up·set /ˌəpˈset/
Noun: A state of being unhappy, disappointed, or worried.

**tommo** · 04-21-2011 05:22 AM

I think.... yes, I think he just predicated a first principle.

**Spartiate** · 04-21-2011 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by Franklin

up·set /ˌəpˈset/
Noun: A state of being unhappy, disappointed, or worried.

I don't see "sad" or "frustrated"...

**Tara** · 04-21-2011 05:44 AM

**tommo** · 04-21-2011 06:25 AM

Probably because unhappy is a synonym for sad.

**Dannon Oneironaut** · 04-21-2011 07:51 AM

He did predicate a first principle! Did you see that grammar?! Lol. It just doesn't make sense!

**Dannon Oneironaut** · 04-21-2011 09:22 AM

**greenhavoc** · 04-21-2011 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by tommo

I think.... yes, I think he just predicated a first principle.

What does that mean?

**tommo** · 04-21-2011 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Lol, that's been posted before, in the thread I was talking about.

I'm not sure I agree with it. It is only a computer simulation. I mean, look at the other images taken from infrared satellite telescopes etc. And also it isn't really that similar.

**sloth** · 04-21-2011 05:53 PM

It really wouldn't have to be similar.
If atoms come together to create consciousness, I don't see any reason why the universe wouldn't or couldn't come together to create more consciousness.

I can already tell that this thread is going to make me mad.
Too many people are going to be saying:
Space is space and planets are planets and this is the way things are. Nothing exists that science doesn't already explain.

**tommo** · 04-21-2011 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by sloth

It really wouldn't have to be similar.
If atoms come together to create consciousness, I don't see any reason why the universe wouldn't or couldn't come together to create more consciousness.

Because that makes no sense whatsoever?
Atoms don't make consciousness by coming together. They form cells which "come together", if you like, to create consciousness.
What exactly are you proposing the universe comes together with?
It's equivalent to saying a dog comes together and creates a cat. How can something come together with itself?
And how could several things, such as galaxies, which have nothing resembling any sort of connection create anything else?

Originally Posted by sloth

I can already tell that this thread is going to make me mad.
Too many people are going to be saying:
Space is space and planets are planets and this is the way things are. Nothing exists that science doesn't already explain.

I don't think any body with any understanding of science at all thinks that it explains everything. Eventually it probably will, but not now.

**sloth** · 04-21-2011 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by tommo

Because that makes no sense whatsoever?
Atoms don't make consciousness by coming together. They form cells which "come together"

That's what I said. Atoms come together to make consciousness. So do cells. Also, atoms come together to make cells. Just because words come together to make sentences doesn't mean that letters don't come together to make sentences.
Seriously, I'm tired of all of these three dimensional arguments. What exactly am I proposing the universe comes together with? Itself. It doesn't make sense if you are thinking three dimensionally. I could explain it to you, if you wanted to hear it, but it's easier to criticize, so you decided to do that instead.

I've given up, because it's like trying to explain animation to a cartoon character. Each time I open my mouth I am ridiculed.

Originally Posted by tommo

It's equivalent to saying a dog comes together and creates a cat.

No.

Originally Posted by tommo

How can something come together with itself?

Eight dimensionally. Although it's still not going to make sense to you.

Originally Posted by tommo

And how could several things, such as galaxies, which I AM ASSUMING don't have any sort of connection create anything else?

...Magic. It's magic. (or gravity)

Originally Posted by tommo

I don't think any body with any understanding of science at all thinks that it explains everything. Eventually it probably will, but not now.

There is a lot we don't know. That's no reason not to criticize ideas before we've actually heard them in their entirety, though.

**Jeff777** · 04-21-2011 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by gameoverlord345

UGH

a thread that really interests me and you ruin it by talking about crap -.- thank you

Haha. If you think this is crap, your real life name must be something simple like "Thud" or "Oof".

xD

**Artelis** · 04-21-2011 10:21 PM

I swear, the next thread that turns into a pissing match about how awesome you are at grammar is gonna get peed on by something that pees a lot. I'll make it so.

**LxANN** · 04-21-2011 10:41 PM

As the composer of this thread, I want to give out my sincere apologizes for the disagreements, and off topic remarks.
Thank you to all still on topic, and making efforts to work together to create great theories about the universe. <3

**tommo** · 04-22-2011 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by sloth

That's what I said. Atoms come together to make consciousness. So do cells. Also, atoms come together to make cells. Just because words come together to make sentences doesn't mean that letters don't come together to make sentences.
Seriously, I'm tired of all of these three dimensional arguments. What exactly am I proposing the universe comes together with? Itself. It doesn't make sense if you are thinking three dimensionally. I could explain it to you, if you wanted to hear it, but it's easier to criticize, so you decided to do that instead.

I've given up, because it's like trying to explain animation to a cartoon character. Each time I open my mouth I am ridiculed.

No.

Eight dimensionally. Although it's still not going to make sense to you.

...Magic. It's magic. (or gravity)

There is a lot we don't know. That's no reason not to criticize ideas before we've actually heard them in their entirety, though.

You know, one of the symptoms of Schizophrenia is being unable to keep track of a train of thought.

That sentence should suffice as a refutation of your post, but it doesn't really satisfy my desire to argue.

Originally Posted by sloth

That's what I said. Atoms come together to make consciousness. So do cells. Also, atoms come together to make cells.

So, you're not even saying that atoms come together AS cells, which come together to create consciousness. That would have been the rational way out of your current state of nonsense. But you're just saying atoms come together to create consciousness....
Show me anything on Earth that has no brain but is conscious.
Is oxygen conscious? That's just a bunch of atoms you know?

Originally Posted by sloth

Just because words come together to make sentences doesn't mean that letters don't come together to make sentences.

Letters don't come together to make sentences. You can't just throw them around willy-nilly and except them to form a sentence.
They have to be structured first in to words, then the words can be structured in to sentences. Thanks for finding an analogy which furthers my case.

Originally Posted by sloth

What exactly am I proposing the universe comes together with? Itself. It doesn't make sense if you are thinking three dimensionally. I could explain it to you, if you wanted to hear it, but it's easier to criticize, so you decided to do that instead.

NICE try! I'm impressed, my grade 1 teacher tried to pull that same one on me, I didn't fall for it then either though.
EXPLAIN IT THEN. If someone doesn't agree with your point of view you are supposed to explain it more clearly, relating to their criticisms. You don't just argue their points with 0 more information than you had in your last pile of balderdash.

Originally Posted by sloth

I've given up, because it's like trying to explain animation to a cartoon character. Each time I open my mouth I am ridiculed.

See? This is what I'm talking about. How does this make any sense at all to you?
Since when have cartoon characters constantly ridiculed someone, or another character?
It would make sense if it was a well known fact that cartoons consist of characters just constantly berating other characters. But they don't, so that sentence makes no sense.

Originally Posted by sloth

Eight dimensionally. Although it's still not going to make sense to you.

Gee, oh gee oh gee oh gee. I'm talking to a genius, sorry if you're not, but I'm just assuming you are since you understand what happens in the 8th dimension.

Originally Posted by sloth

...Magic. It's magic. (or gravity)

Woah, woah dude....

Yeah coz I didn't think of that at all when I was responding to your previous post.
Gravity doesn't reach across galaxies. And it's a force which pulls one object towards another, not an electrical pulse sending information between objects.

Originally Posted by sloth

There is a lot we don't know. That's no reason ~~not~~ to criticize ideas before we've actually heard them in their entirety, though.

This is what I'm talking about also.
How do these two sentences relate in your head?
What does not knowing everything have to do with ciritcising an idea before we hear it?