Thread: Split from Smoking Weed & LD'ing

Originally posted by jay dawg
you guys are ignorant

Reminds me of that South Park episode with Micheal Jackson when somebody says somthing he doesnt understand he just keeps saying "Thats just ignorant" in response

Dont get all defensive, Stalin is just making an intelligent and informed response.

Why would someone who didnt smoke weed hate someone that does? i dont see the logic in that conclusion.....

"i hate my next door neighbour because he smokes weed and doesnt iron his shirt before work and he also gives me paranoid glances and keeps asking me what i did with his cat".

People who dont smoke weed are ignorant, they smell really bad and need to wash away their moral fibre.

Leave Joseph_Stalin alone dude, hes a great guy and i highly respect his opinion.

Smoking to much weed causes you to experience low level schizophrenia .....

Lol, the argument got quite heated

I must agree with jay dawg: Your opinion is not very valid if you never smoked weed. You have no idea the effects it produces. Now if you smoked before and now you quit and turned activist, we can have a discussion.

A lot of people hate weed and drugs in general. I totally understand that. I was raised like that myself, but slowly changed.
For many people the concept of "drugs" is extremely negative. That's the way the educational system works. There's no separation between "soft" and "hard" drugs, and that leads to a whole bunch of false assumptions.... My personal experience: I was taught about the "bad" drugs(cocaine, heroin, inhalants, etc) , nobody even mentioned "soft" drugs until much later I've learned about them from my friends... :/



PS yesterday I've smoked a dime and had a *lucid dream* and a most amazing sex dream I've ever had. So much for not being able to recall dreams after smoking

PPS I dont agree with smoking all the time...

THANK YOU

bout time my fellow stoners stood up for me, i was wondering where u ran off to!
its a lost cause trying to argue with ignorant people. but ignorance is bliss yes?

my recall kinda sucked on weed but i may take a hit this weekend when i try wild (you should remember the dream if u are IN IT consciously, cuz im in a MAJOR wild slump right now.

Originally posted by jay dawg
THANK YOU

bout time my fellow stoners stood up for me, i was wondering where u ran off to!
its a lost cause trying to argue with ignorant people. but ignorance is bliss yes? *

my recall kinda sucked on weed but i may take a hit this weekend when i try wild (you should remember the dream if u are IN IT consciously, cuz im in a MAJOR wild slump right now.

I agree with one thing you say "ignorance is bliss" (thats very true).

I'm sorry to say this jay dawg but you assume so much about people and their individual views......

Its like you take up the idea that people are ignorant if they havent smoked weed or dont agree with it..... whats ignorant about that? If like Stalin 'they' (the so called enemy) make an intelligent response how can you call that ignorant?

You dont know the meaning of ignorant, if you did you wouldnt use with word without any meaning attached to its use, you use it only as a remark in which to defensively 'stand' your ground while trying to demean the person you are calling ‘ignorant’. I dont really think that serves a purpose. What does ignorant mean to you? "Ill-informed"......

I've was a 'weed' smoker for 3 solid years of my life (gave up 9 months ago thankfully) - i have so much more freedom now and much better dream recall that i could have imagined.

I have a joint now and again (maybe once every few months) for recreational purposes I was smoking really 'pure' marijuana everyday for about 2 years non stop, does that sound 'ignorant' to you? I think you need to leave your observations and judgements to yourself in the future unless you are willing to discuss somthing of importance without calling people childish names.

In life you learn viewpoints can be different to you own and you learn to except it and live with it rather than divulge your silly attitude towards non-weed smokers by calling them 'Ignorant'.

I really hope to have an intelligent disscussion on somthing like this, it would be interesting to see peoples view-points.

I do believe that smoking weed is a catalyst towards schizophrenia and paranoid tendencies (but thats just my personal opinion due to personal experience). I am able to comment about things that I have experienced first hand rather than hearing someones opinion and excepting it without question.

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THANK YOU

bout time my fellow stoners stood up for me, i was wondering where u ran off to!
its a lost cause trying to argue with ignorant people. but ignorance is bliss yes? *

my recall kinda sucked on weed but i may take a hit this weekend when i try wild (you should remember the dream if u are IN IT consciously, cuz im in a MAJOR wild slump right now.

I agree with one thing you say \"ignorance is bliss\" (thats very true).

I'm sorry to say this jay dawg but you assume so much about people and their individual views......

Its like you take up the idea that people are ignorant if they havent smoked weed or dont agree with it..... whats ignorant about that? If like Stalin 'they' (the so called enemy) make an intelligent response how can you call that ignorant?

You dont know the meaning of ignorant, if you did you wouldnt use with word without any meaning attached to its use, you use it only as a remark in which to defensively 'stand' your ground while trying to demean the person you are calling ‘ignorant’. I dont really think that serves a purpose. What does ignorant mean to you? \"Ill-informed\"......

I've was a 'weed' smoker for 3 solid years of my life (gave up 9 months ago thankfully) - i have so much more freedom now and much better dream recall that i could have imagined.

I have a joint now and again (maybe once every few months) for recreational purposes I was smoking really 'pure' marijuana everyday for about 2 years non stop, does that sound 'ignorant' to you? I think you need to leave your observations and judgements to yourself in the future unless you are willing to discuss somthing of importance without calling people childish names.

In life you learn viewpoints can be different to you own and you learn to except it and live with it rather than divulge your silly attitude towards non-weed smokers by calling them 'Ignorant'.

I really hope to have an intelligent disscussion on somthing like this, it would be interesting to see peoples view-points.

I do believe that smoking weed is a catalyst towards schizophrenia and paranoid tendencies (but thats just my personal opinion due to personal experience). I am able to comment about things that I have experienced first hand rather than hearing someones opinion and excepting it without question.[/b]

"What does ignorant mean to you? "Ill-informed"...... '

yes exactly. that is what ognorance means anyway right? all im saying is its pointless to argue a point with someone when they are extremely ill-informed on the subject. do you hold that against me? i enjoy an intelligent conversation, but when the other person honestly has no idea what they are talking about and thinks they do, that is ignorance to me. mystical i know you have a nice weed formed mind, i can tell by your intelligent posts around here. hey ive been off it about a month myself i think. i dont like the way my mind works now compaired to how it does when im high but ok so its back to normal now, ill deal with it. i find myself watching things on TV now that would previously make me fuckin sick. i cought myself actually laughing at a fucking "Monk" commercial! i couldnt have hated that show more when i was on herb (from a jewish conspiracy point of view, that is).

yeah weed can make u paranoid as fuck but come on , sometimes its because its actually true, SOMEtimes.... hahah

dude i was high as fuck and at a road detour from some consctruction shit, and we pulled up to a stop sign and i was too high to notice and i thought the dude stopping in front of me we trying to block me in to beat me ass or some shit. i was seconds from running out of my car , but just then noticed we were at a stop sign. lmao. and i really thought he was too. so yes most of the time its delusion.

Hmm, I have alot to say regarding this post.

First off...

Originally posted by Iceisforming
what is this shroom you speak of? *Where could one who is interested find it ?

Hey man, I think I can help you out. Not only in gaining a much better knowledge of what these \"shrooms\" are about, but also where to locate some for the best prices in the region. If you live in canadaigua, i'm only about a hour and half away from you.


Sleepinng Awake it's not even worth quoting...but let's just say you are pretty off base, and it seems like you just made up half of those \"facts\" you presented about marijuana use.



Joseph_Stalin

Originally posted by Joseph_Stalin
Those commercials aren't there to form hatred, they're purpose it to inform youth and parents. I'm sure if the government really wanted us to hate pot smokers there would be much more effective means by now.

As much as you want to believe that you are \"a free spirit\" or \"not held down by the constraints of 'the man'\", you really aren't. In reality a good majority of weed smokers still need to get a job and pay rent, and do the regular things everyone else does.

The fact of the matter is, the people behind the commercials know that the side effects are harmful, and don't want our youth to become degenerates (though admittedly, there are your handful of successful people that have done drugs, this cannot be denied--and no, I do not believe that all people who smoke marijuana are degenerates).

Oh boy...where to begin? The purpose is not to inform youth or parents, but to keep them in a state of unawareness and convey to them missinformation of the multifaceted plant which is marijuana.
Yes, a good majority of weed smokers still need to get a job, pay rent, and do the regular things everyone else does. Good point. Have you any idea just how many people with regular jobs, rent to pay, kids to take care of, houses to keep, etc, etc, still use marijuana without any negative effects in any aspects of their lives? My old boss managed to run 3 companies (1 textbook, 1 textbook online, 1 retail store), and raise three children ages 5, 7, and 9, and still rip bongs with me every few hours without running into any complications.

The fact of the matter is, the people behind those fucking sickening commercials are the same people who bennefit from keeping the drug in its illegal status. The government won't legalize marijuana, not because of the "harmful side effects" (which PALE in comparrison to legal drugs like niccotine, alcohol, and caffeine), but because of all the money they would lose. I'm talking about the money they confiscate during drug busts and raids. That's the real reason marijuana will never be legalized in the states, not because of the actual plant, but because of the massive drug operations being run, which might I add, the illegal status of the drug created in the first place.

Originally posted by jay dawg



\"What does ignorant mean to you? \"Ill-informed\"...... '

yes exactly. that is what ognorance means anyway right? all im saying is its pointless to argue a point with someone when they are extremely ill-informed on the subject. do you hold that against me? i enjoy an intelligent conversation, but when the other person honestly has no idea what they are talking about and thinks they do, that is ignorance to me. mystical i know you have a nice weed formed mind, i can tell by your intelligent posts around here. hey ive been off it about a month myself i think. i dont like the way my mind works now compaired to how it does when im high but ok so its back to normal now, ill deal with it. i find myself watching things on TV now that would previously make me fuckin sick. i cought myself actually laughing at a fucking \"Monk\" commercial! i couldnt have hated that show more when i was on herb (from a jewish conspiracy point of view, that is). *

yeah weed can make u paranoid as fuck but come on , sometimes its because its actually true, SOMEtimes.... hahah

dude i was high as fuck and at a road detour from some consctruction shit, and we pulled up to a stop sign and i was too high to notice and i thought the dude stopping in front of me we trying to block me in to beat me ass or some shit. i was seconds from running out of my car , but just then noticed we were at a stop sign. lmao. and i really thought he was too. so yes most of the time its delusion.

I think I’m beginning to understand and appreciate your viewpoint and perspective more than before jay dawg, thanks for that informative and helpful post 8)

I thought you were being narrow-minded, I realise now it was me who was being impolite about your comments.

I’m aware now that you have bright things to say...

People can make judgmental comments that may be considered ignorant to you but being ‘ill-informed’ in my opinion doesn’t really relate to ignorance when your talking about somthing like weed (...). If you have smoked it you will appriciate this.

When I read posts that I don’t agree with I usually get annoyed and want to post back saying "Your Wrong" but then I think “wait a minute this person might actually has something interesting to say even if i disagree with it” so I re-read the post again without my clouded judgement and 9 times out of 10 I find something interesting within what the person said.

I think people who don’t smoke weed have very interesting viewpoints, I enjoy the fact that people have that ‘opinion’ because they have an added advantage of seeing the negative effects it causes, but when your in that ‘world’ the negative aspects are ignored and cannot be distinguished through the fog.

Once again, thanks for your post dude

JayDawg I respect your defending of your stance in the face of adversity, and I am definately on your side in the matter, but I think you have the same problem I have, which is hearing something you disaggree with and immediately jumping up to defend your side, the trouble with this is we don't always think clearly and get our points accross in the best way possible. Just slow down and think a little more lucidly And it won't take so many posts to get people to start seeing your way! 8)

Originally posted by themindsi
Hmm, I have alot to say regarding this post.

First off... * * * * * *

Oh boy...where to begin? *The purpose is not to inform youth or parents, but to keep them in a state of unawareness and convey to them missinformation of the multifaceted plant which is marijuana. *
Yes, a good majority of weed smokers still need to get a job, pay rent, and do the regular things everyone else does. *Good point. *Have you any idea just how many people with regular jobs, rent to pay, kids to take care of, houses to keep, etc, etc, still use marijuana without any negative effects in any aspects of their lives? *My old boss managed to run 3 companies (1 textbook, 1 textbook online, 1 retail store), and raise three children ages 5, 7, and 9, and still rip bongs with me every few hours without running into any complications.

The fact of the matter is, the people behind those fucking sickening commercials are the same people who bennefit from keeping the drug in its illegal status. *The government won't legalize marijuana, not because of the \"harmful side effects\" (which PALE in comparrison to legal drugs like niccotine, alcohol, and caffeine), but because of all the money they would lose. *I'm talking about the money they confiscate during drug busts and raids. *That's the real reason marijuana will never be legalized in the states, not because of the actual plant, but because of the massive drug operations being run, which might I add, the illegal status of the drug created in the first place.

THANK YOU TOO!!! now all the fuckin geniuses show up. you are a fuckin genius man. i wish everyone was as smart as you. yes those commercials are lies propogated to make non smokers hate weed and think negatively about it. FUUUUUUUUCK i am a perfect example. i almost fuckin called the cops on my own mom cause she had a little bag of herb in the house. TALK ABOUT BEING FUCKING BRAINWASHED BY THE GOVERNMENT! it doesnt get any worse than that. fuck now i smoke with her all the time. being free from lies is such a beautiful thing.

this is why ppl who havnt smoked weed before have no idea wht they are talking about: the first time i got high with this bud of mine at work... i literally couldnt figure out why this was illegal. i was like why the fuck is this illegal? i couldnt figure it out. everything i was lied to think about it was made clear. of coarse eventually i found out about the conspiracies behind why its illegal. which non smokers will never know because their mind is currently drugged by the government to think a certain way. and there is no hope or anything that could be said to convince someone otherwise. only being on THC can fight the previous drugged state and allow your mind to be free.


and mystical i agree, although if you think about it, there can be many opinions on a subject, but somehow there is always only one truth. even if both parties are ignorant to that truth. in this case i am correct though and stalin is the moron lol. agreed?

Originally posted by themindsi
JayDawg *I respect your defending of your stance in the face of adversity, and I am definately on your side in the matter, but I think you have the same problem I have, which is hearing something you disaggree with and immediately jumping up to defend *your side, the trouble with this is we don't always think clearly and get our points accross in the best way possible. *Just slow down and think a little more lucidly * And it won't take so many posts to get people to start seeing your way! 8)

right, so what your saying is, even tho i know im completely right on a matter, i must carefully spout it or others will think im an idiot? yes that makes sense but damn i dont feel like writing a novel all the time. id rather just say the truth without saying why its true. maybe not the best route but the easiest.

Lets just say I agree to disagree: Its my opinion that "Truth" is subjective to the personality of the individual.

Bill Hicks has some interesting things to say about drugs, have you listened to his stand up before jay dawg?

(there can be only one ultimate truth! peoples opinions on truth, varying from that, are just delusions! i mean come on this guy doesnt think theres an anti weed conscpiracy from the government...AND THERE IS! hello? one ultimate truth, not his version or my version of truth.)

doesnt sound familiar no, any links to some audio of him?

Originally posted by jay dawg



THANK YOU TOO!!! now all the fuckin geniuses show up. you are a fuckin genius man. i wish everyone was as smart as you. yes those commercials are lies propogated to make non smokers hate weed and think negatively about it. FUUUUUUUUCK i am a perfect example. *i almost fuckin called the cops on my own mom cause she had a little bag of herb in the house. TALK ABOUT BEING FUCKING BRAINWASHED BY THE GOVERNMENT! it doesnt get any worse than that. fuck now i smoke with her all the time. being free from lies is such a beautiful thing.

You flatter me, lol. But honestly, I'm just very well read, and hate the government. I also will hate till the day I die that some "higher body of law" can say what I can or cannot put into my body, and in what way I can or cannot alter my perception of consciousness. It would just be like if the gov. put out some new laws that Lucid dreaming was to be outlawed cause it was dangerous to society, you know, people start doing things in their dreams, and next thing they want to do it in real life, you know, people having sex dreams, it suddenly isn't good enough and they must go out and rape, they must fulfill these crazy fantasies. I can see it happening, in this kind of society we live in. I dare anyone to come up with some reason how this isn't the same thing in principle. And tell me you can't forsee something like that happening.

Buy Jay, I too felt the same way, before I ever experienced the beauty of a marijuana high. I can see how you would have been compelled to implicate your mom! That gave me a chuckle though!

haha nice, glad i could give u a cheer!

you know i thought the same damned thing a couple months ago. i thought if the government starting getting involved in the idea of LDing, they would most assuredly bann it. i mean think about it, your mind is free and you are at a higher state of consciousness, the ONE thing they dont want. if LDing ever becomes big i gurantee they will try and bann it. "inside four walls my friend, they took away your freedom, but theyll never take my mind!"

but they will try

Originally posted by jay dawg
haha nice, glad i could give u a cheer! * *

you know i thought the same damned thing a couple months ago. i thought if the government starting getting involved in the idea of LDing, they would most assuredly bann it. i mean think about it, your mind is free and you are at a higher state of consciousness, the ONE thing they dont want. if LDing ever becomes big i gurantee they will try and bann it. \"inside four walls my friend, they took away your freedom, but theyll never take my mind!\" *

but they will try

Hey! Is that quote from a play?! Anyways, yes, that's exaclty why they would ban it, but since it would be difficult to ban something like that, they would more likely use the FoxEffect and just give surround it in negativity. Most people I come accross are ready to quickly dispell it as new age mumbo jumbo, so I think it's very important the way that Lucid Dreaming is portrayed in the media.

holy shit your rite, they would lie and brainwash the next impressionable generation of kids "its evil and "bad" and Lders are the new "evil DO'ers" and they uhh they are terrorists too, i mean who isnt right?" lmao fuck


actually its a quote from a band called Nevermore, a metal group

Originally posted by themindsi
Hmm, I have alot to say regarding this post.

First off... * * * * * *

Oh boy...where to begin? *The purpose is not to inform youth or parents, but to keep them in a state of unawareness and convey to them missinformation of the multifaceted plant which is marijuana. *
Yes, a good majority of weed smokers still need to get a job, pay rent, and do the regular things everyone else does. *Good point. *Have you any idea just how many people with regular jobs, rent to pay, kids to take care of, houses to keep, etc, etc, still use marijuana without any negative effects in any aspects of their lives? *My old boss managed to run 3 companies (1 textbook, 1 textbook online, 1 retail store), and raise three children ages 5, 7, and 9, and still rip bongs with me every few hours without running into any complications.

Yes, and that's because he's probably already a successful man. Believe or not but when you're running three companies you usually have a group of subordinates of whom you've hired for the exact purpose of taking the burden off of you. The amount of free time I imagine this man having is ludicris.

The fact of the matter is, the people behind those fucking sickening commercials are the same people who bennefit from keeping the drug in its illegal status. *The government won't legalize marijuana, not because of the \"harmful side effects\" (which PALE in comparrison to legal drugs like niccotine, alcohol, and caffeine), but because of all the money they would lose. *I'm talking about the money they confiscate during drug busts and raids. *That's the real reason marijuana will never be legalized in the states, not because of the actual plant, but because of the massive drug operations being run, which might I add, the illegal status of the drug created in the first place. [/b]

Do you have any idea how costly it is to actually set up these drugs busts? The government is spending millions of dollars each year (and hardly manage to bust more than a few large producers a year) and most of the money they recover from drug busts is confiscated. By the time of prosecution and conviction of the drug dealers and growers, the money's use is trivial. The actual money confiscated is usually not very high, usually ranging in a few hundred thousand dollars.

And, if they did make it legal, do you not think they would simply tax marijuana as well? Do you not see that they have effectively done this with cigarretes, and can do so as easily with weed? The money made from this would dwarf the bust money laughably.

Originally posted by jay dawg



\"What does ignorant mean to you? \"Ill-informed\"...... '

yes exactly. that is what ognorance means anyway right? all im saying is its pointless to argue a point with someone when they are extremely ill-informed on the subject. do you hold that against me? i enjoy an intelligent conversation, but when the other person honestly has no idea what they are talking about and thinks they do, that is ignorance to me.

Actually, let me just clear this up. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge about a certain criteria, but being ill-informed does not necessarily make you ignorant. People in a certain culture may call you ignorant because you do not realize the consequences of say, not worshipping the sun god at High Noon (let's say that they believe that the consequence is that your feet with burn in your sleep). Now these people are not ignorant, but simply ill-informed. In their culture they are perfectly well read on the subject.

dude i was high as fuck and at a road detour from some consctruction shit, and we pulled up to a stop sign and i was too high to notice and i thought the dude stopping in front of me we trying to block me in to beat me ass or some shit. i was seconds from running out of my car , but just then noticed we were at a stop sign. lmao. and i really thought he was too. so yes most of the time its delusion. [/b]

You were driving while high?! And you think that's funny? And to think I at least thought you were a responsible user.

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And about the whole "banning LD" thing. Unless I'm mistaking, many of us here (speaking on the controversy of marijuana in America) are American. I don't remember getting out of bed and saluting Hitler while I walk to my SS office.

Look, what I'm trying to say is, not only do we have human rights that protect us from the "banning" of such a thing as lucid dreaming, but there's no reason to ban it. We already have enough scapegoats in America. Terrorists are the current scapegoats of politics, and this will probably change in a few years. But lucid dreamers? Ummm...

EDIT: And thanks for refering to me as a moron. I'll especially remember this when I'm respecting your point of view.

yes sun god worshippers are ignorant bastards. very much so. so whats your problem. for your ignorant information, stoners find driving easier when you are high, more fun anyway hahaha 8)

and you really have no fucking clue in regards to the antiweed laws or the drug busts, man give it a rest , when your wrong your wrong, go home.

how old are u, man u better not be some punkass 15 year old, i swear. if u only knew how many successful people currently smoke weed in america. pretty much EVERYBODY, they just do a good job of hiding it because of IGNORANT MORONS LIKE YOU SO f*ck U


plus u parade around here spouting lenin as the messiah? you actually think u are a communists or something? get a life. i wont respond to anything else you say. you cleary have no idea what you are talking about and your just wasting my energy.

Originally posted by jay dawg
yes sun god worshippers are ignorant bastards. very much so. so whats your problem. for your ignorant information, stoners find driving easier when you are high, more fun anyway hahaha 8) *

and you really have no fucking clue in regards to the antiweed laws or the drug busts, man give it a rest , when your wrong your wrong, go home. *

how old are u, man u better not be some punkass 15 year old, i swear. if u only knew how many successful people currently smoke weed in america. pretty much EVERYBODY, they just do a good job of hiding it because of IGNORANT MORONS LIKE YOU SO f*ck U


plus u parade around here spouting lenin as the messiah? you actually think u are a communists or something? get a life. i wont respond to anything else you say. you cleary have no idea what you are talking about and your just wasting my energy.

What is wrong with you?

If i knew you in person you would see the end of my fist in your face (im not the violent type)

didnt you take on board one thing anybody said to you?

your an ignorant asshole!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not gonna even bother to put time and effort into talking to you in the future if you consider this kind of shit communication.

Originally posted by jay dawg
yes sun god worshippers are ignorant bastards. very much so. so whats your problem. for your ignorant information, stoners find driving easier when you are high, more fun anyway hahaha 8) *

and you really have no fucking clue in regards to the antiweed laws or the drug busts, man give it a rest , when your wrong your wrong, go home. *

how old are u, man u better not be some punkass 15 year old, i swear. if u only knew how many successful people currently smoke weed in america. pretty much EVERYBODY, they just do a good job of hiding it because of IGNORANT MORONS LIKE YOU SO f*ck U


plus u parade around here spouting lenin as the messiah? you actually think u are a communists or something? get a life. i wont respond to anything else you say. you cleary have no idea what you are talking about and your just wasting my energy.

I am 18 years old, just to let you know. You are acting way too defensively on this subject, to the point where you are resorting to insults to back up your opinion. You are also acting way too elitist, as I believe nightowl previously stated.

Also, "man u better not be some punkass 15 year old, i swear." Really, if I was, what could you seriously do to me? Am I supposed to be intimidated by some person I don't even know, on the internet?

The communist theme is joke, in case you were wondering. But I don't suppose you really care about what I have to say anyway.

And don't talk to me like I'm a piece of shit. Thanks.

why are non weed smokers even on this thread? go away. when your wrong your wrong.

Yeah. Alright.

I think I'll go where I please.

Originally posted by Joseph_Stalin
Those commercials aren't there to form hatred, they're purpose it to inform youth and parents. I'm sure if the government really wanted us to hate pot smokers there would be much more effective means by now.

Do you also agree with the old "reefer madness" propoganda that the american government was spreading around early last century? By looking at the history of the anti-drug propoganda you have to admit that the american government was blatantly making shit up.

If you don't agree with things like Reefer madness: the movie!(1936), or the thousands of posters like this one, why do you now agree with the more recent propoganda attempts (which are just as funny to stoners as hisorical propoganda is to everyone).

-spoon