Thread: Split from Smoking Weed & LD'ing

Originally posted by Joseph_Stalin
Drugs (whether marijuana, heroine, cocaine, etc.) should not be used by teenagers because most are not responsible enough and because it interferes with school and learning.

So you dont have a problem with people using these drugs, provided they use them responsibly?

... this can lead to neglect of more important things such as homework and studying.[/b]

Forums make me neglect more homework than weed does . Teenagers will find any excuse to avoid study.

Anyway, most modern commercials are centered on illegal drugs in general, so I wouldn't exactly call it \"anti-marijuana\".[/b]

Oh sorry, I thought we were talking of those really funny american anti-weed adds. Like the one where some high kid shoots himself in the face cause he thought it would be funny.

"maan im soo hiigh right now" *grabs gun*
"wh..what are you doing!"
"hahahaha" *bang*

Ok so I paraphrased.

-spoon

o god spoon, dont get involved, if u havnt learned anything about stalin at this point, believe me, hes 18 and is not mature enough to realize when hes clearly wrong on an issue. and now he wants to act like he never said theres not a plot to make people think negatively about marijuana. stalin dont try and make more shit up that u dont know, EVERY single anti drug commercial is plainly talking about marijuana. so get real and get some brains. i mean hes never done weed in his life and somehow hes an expert on all things marijuana. i wish i was as smart as him. hes clearly weak minded to allow his mind to be corrupted by such propogated lies, much like everyone else.

Originally posted by spoon
Oh sorry, I thought we were talking of those really funny american anti-weed adds. *Like the one where some high kid shoots himself in the face cause he thought it would be funny. *

\"maan im soo hiigh right now\" *grabs gun*
\"wh..what are you doing!\"
\"hahahaha\" *bang*

Ok so I paraphrased. *

-spoon

we are talking about all anti drug propoganda including those old commercials. the latest ones are usually showing some kid feeling really bad about being caught by his parents about smoking weed. if anyone can watch those commercials and not wanna throw up, then your brainwashed already. too late. believe me these commercials are carefully crafted and using every possible resource by the governments organizations to make anyone who watches it hate marijuana and its users.

yeah then the next commecial that comes on is about how your ultimate destiny is to join the army. yeah, dont free your mind, then join the amerikan war machine so u can kill more innocent people before u urself dies. great plan, glad i didnt fall for it. too bad everyone cannot be this smart.

Spoon: I don't have a problem with people using any drug whatsoever. This is a free country and I don't care what you do with yourself. The problem comes when people harm others under asaid drugs, or the drugs interfere with education and emotion maturation.

A teenager will most likely use drugs irresponsibily. However, a more matured person can effectively smoke during periods he has chosen, and the drug will not interfere with his life (unless we bring in heavy drugs, then yes, it will).

However, outright denying that drugs can be harmful is especially wrong. There are many younger users on this forum that may easily be dissuaded or persuaded, but when they have only one side of the argument, you have a problem.

Originally posted by jay dawg
o god spoon, dont get involved, if u havnt learned anything about stalin at this point, believe me, hes 18 and is not mature enough to realize when hes clearly wrong on an issue. and now he wants to act like he never said theres not a plot to make people think negatively about marijuana. stalin dont try and make more shit up that u dont know, EVERY single anti drug commercial is plainly talking about marijuana. so get real and get some brains. i mean hes never done weed in his life and somehow hes an expert on all things marijuana. i wish i was as smart as him. hes clearly weak minded to allow his mind to be corrupted by such propogated lies, much like everyone else.

A sign of being weak-minded is the inability to change and shape one's views regardless of the information being told. I myself have learned much about the effects of marijuana during the course of these few days, though I'm holding that credit to you, jay_dawg. I found that the drug cannot do major harm as others can, but definately has its share of bad side effects. I'm not saying, "omg weed is like crack it can kill u and burn your brain cellz", but then again, I'm not saying it's entirely harmless.

My mind is not corrupted. I'm not breaking bats over pot-smokers heads or committing other acts of violence or hatred toward them. Go outside for a few hours and look around. We do not live in some dystopian, totalitarian world. The weak-minded are those with the incapacity to learn.

There are no propogated lies. You are not "special" or "superior" to others because of your belief in organizations, tactics, and propaganda that may or may not exist. In fact, there is no proof for this either way.

No person here is "clearly wrong" or "clearly right" on this issue. You keep speaking like you are in denial--instead of putting me down and brushing aside opposition so immaturely, bring some substance to the table.

I would also prefer that you spoke directly to me, instead of talking about me in the context that I'm some kind of unnatural phenomenon or curiosity. Thanks again.

I think we have a stoned out moron who thinks what he’s saying is knowledgeable.

To take ‘blueprint’ unintelligent opinions and pass them off as your own…… for that my friend I call you a ‘Fool’. If you has the level of intelligence of a 18 year old you would take the time to understand and appreciate what Stalin was saying to you.

Why would you get so defensive if you thought what you were doing was OK you wouldn’t react this way?

Maybe there is some form of antipathy trying to break free.

“You hate weed smokers etc etc you must agree with all the propaganda against weed”



Dont make me laugh......

You talk to Stalin with disrespect, i can imagine that you also treat people in your life with the same disrespect - maybe you need to expand your horizons to except the fact other people do exist beyond your own existence.

stalin. its good to hear that you are coming along man! dont stop now! give in to the peer pressure lol j/k



and um..... mystical...what the hell are u talking about. im actually quite loving in real life, dealing with stubborn people can drive someone insane. but maybe hes slowly learning for the better, a hard thing to do actually, if not smoking it that is.


PS. stalin this may make u upset....but..weed is not only not bad for you, but. its GREAT FOR U lol. i know ur not gonna believe that so no big deal. dont worry about it! be happy! (im stoned)

Originally posted by jay dawg
PS. stalin this may make u upset....but..weed is not only not bad for you, but. its GREAT FOR U lol. i know ur not gonna believe that so no big deal. dont worry about it! be happy! (im stoned)

Uh.... now i know stalin hasn't smoked weed so his opinion doesnt count to you. But I have (and still do). Weed is bad for you. Burning anything and inhaling the smoke will definately harm you lungs/throat. Longterm heavy use will effect you physically. But thats not saying its anywhere near as bad as tobacco. Ever seen someone smoke a cone of straight tobacco? Not pretty. That being said if you eat it or vapourise it (weed) you avoid these bad effects.

On top of the physical effects that inhaling that much smoke causes, heavy (and regular) doses of THC is detrimental to cognitive function. It makes you dumber (by a few IQ points), makes your short term memory worse and (as with every psychoactive) can bring out latent mental conditions. This is all will heavy regular use, studies have shown that users that smoked small amounts each week actually experienced a rise in IQ (go figure). And the effects (bad or good) are not permanent, many studies show that after a few months you go back to baseline. Except a recent australian study, but the sample had 52 people in it (which is criminally retarded in statistics).

So yeah, getting high is fun and can be beneficial. But dont be a fiend.

-spoon

ps, i didnt learn all that off tv adds
(edited to add for you americans: a cone is what we call a "bowl" over here)

ahh a bowl , i was a little confused thank you. our bodies have natural ways of expelling natural substances safely from our body. that being said i will say that yes, smoking a few massive blunts a day is going to fuck up your lungs badly. i know this. thats why now ill i do is take 1 incredibly small hit of some really good high quality herb, say every few hours. i cant fathom that being at all bad for someone, especially coming out of a waterbong, very unharsh clean smoke for the lungs. i would say there are defitintely different smoking sytles that do offer different health concerns ranging from perfectly healthy to quite bad for your body, yes. weed is good for the mind and body though.

Originally posted by Ev
I must agree with jay dawg: Your opinion is not very valid if you never smoked weed. You have no idea the effects it produces. Now if you smoked before and now you quit and turned activist, we can have a discussion.

I can say I fit into this catagory.
Although I am not an activist against.
It it seems rather obvious and actually quite sad how smoking weed takes a person's proirities and can miscostrue reality.
However you will never see that when you are high all the time.
One day you may wake up from your stuper and realize that you thought you were more creative when high, more open minded and such. Then the reality sets in that you are a 35 years old living at home delivering pizza.
But I guess if it is good for your heart though..... Never would have considered inhaling smoke could be good for your body.

Jesus Christ! Reading this thread is so comical! The statements, restatements, contradictions, hipocratic posts, gosh.

JosephStalin I do respect the fact that you have something to say and you seem to be a knowledgeable person, BUT NOT ABOUT THIS SUBJECT.

To quote you on what you had to say on MY boss:

Yes, and that's because he's probably already a successful man. Believe or not but when you're running three companies you usually have a group of subordinates of whom you've hired for the exact purpose of taking the burden off of you. The amount of free time I imagine this man having is ludicris. [/b]

How can you take it upon yourself to speak of my boss, my friend, a person I've respected and looked up to since the age of 2, in such a manner. Not only are you wrong in general, but you cannot speak for someone you've never met. Don't treat me like I'm some dumbass who has no idea about the working world. I have worked with Pete (my boss), and his wife to successfully run a local bookstore and emporium that was the cultural center of the town. The staff included: Pete, his wife, myself, and another young man I went to highschool with. Together we covered every aspect of business in the store, with myself and Zack (my schoolmate) being the \"subordinates\" of which you speak. The amount of free time Pete has IS ludicris, but not because he has excessive amounts of it. This is the bussiest man I have ever met, and I have worked at the largest high risk insurance agency in America, where I knew the President of the company VERY well, and I will say that would be an example of what you are talking about, his amount of freetime is ridiculous in comparison with my department and its heads. Pete contributes to several environmental foundations where he also takes the time to be a keyspeaker, while carting his 5 year old to dance, taking his sons to baseball games, writing me letters of reccomendation, watering and mulching the garden, going through hundreds of boxes in the warehouse, calling the phone company to install another phone jack, pleasing customers, special ordering books. I mean, COME ON! You just have no idea about this man's life, so to think you can comment on it like that, now that is ludicris. You've really infurriated me with that wiseass remark.

Do you have any idea how costly it is to actually set up these drugs busts? The government is spending millions of dollars each year (and hardly manage to bust more than a few large producers a year) and most of the money they recover from drug busts is confiscated. By the time of prosecution and conviction of the drug dealers and growers, the money's use is trivial. The actual money confiscated is usually not very high, usually ranging in a few hundred thousand dollars. [/b]

Nowhere in my original post did I say anything about busting producers]/b]. I'm talking about busting drug dealers. That infact, does not take much in financial resources to do. I do not live in a good neighborhood and I have witnessed a good 15-20 raids on dealers and houses. What exactly do you think happens to confiscated money? You think they just take it and hole it up in a box, never to be seen again? Best believe that money gets put back into circulation. Now, say in even a small town of 20, 000 people there are roughly 100 drug dealers. Now let's say that's just one small town in a state of thousands of other small towns and large cities. Let us also say that 1/3 of these dealers (only certain ones are worth going after, plus others must be left on the streets to keep the business alive) are raided and has roughly 10, 000 dollars (now that is SO minimal in comparison to what the amount could really be) confiscated from them. The numbers really add up. Also, since you are talking about producers being busted, your numbers are realy off base. It takes a few hundred thousand dollars to even buy highgrade hydroponics gear, not to mention keep an area used to grow secretive and operating, the costs are very pricey.

And, if they did make it legal, do you not think they would simply tax marijuana as well? Do you not see that they have effectively done this with cigarretes, and can do so as easily with weed? The money made from this would dwarf the bust money laughably.

For advocates of the legalization of weed, that is a strong argument, that marijuana should be taxed like cigarettes. This will never happen because the government needs the whole business of keeping drug users and dealers (often from the low ends of town, the skid row if you will) locked away in jails and prisons and keeping the cycles of poverty, ignorance, and streetlife going and going. It's all a very elaborate plot they have going on. Now, I don't have any idea of what type of area you live in, but from my perspective of living in a certified "hood" you begin to notice the catch 22's that people lives are placed in, you begin to really see how these things work, the cycling, the constant cycling.
It's sickening, and sickening more so is to see the governments propaganda working on an asumingly intelligent mind such as yourself.

[quote]

I can say I fit into this catagory.
Although I am not an activist against.
It it seems rather obvious and actually quite sad how smoking weed takes a person's proirities and can miscostrue reality.
However you will never see that when you are high all the time.
One day you may wake up from your stuper and realize that you thought you were more creative when high, more open minded and such. Then the reality sets in that you are a 35 years old living at home delivering pizza.
But I guess if it is good for your heart though..... Never would have considered inhaling smoke could be good for your body.

Come meet me and tell me I need to wake up from my stupor, please! Some of the most brilliant people I have ever met are stoners and some don't use drugs at all. You can't blame marijuana for someones personal mindset.

Originally posted by Joseph_Stalin


I'm not saying marijuana is this \"super mega evil\" thing we should fear, but I'm not saying it's entirely good either. I've seen people do incredibly stupid things under the influence of the drug, and it's not at all delightful, honestly. Kids forcing a girl to give them blowjobs, a kid that burned papers in the toilet, another throwing rocks at younger students (all these stories from my old elementary school way back then). While caught, they were all identified to be incredibly high on marijuana. Now while I'm sure there's those who use the plant responsibly, you can't ignore stories like this.

Oh, come off of it! You honestly believe that there aren't asshole kids running around on play grounds pushing little kids off slides and throwing rocks that aren't high on marijuana? Are there not rapists and sex offenders anyways? Haven't there been from the very begining of humans? And what child's curiousity has not gotten the best of them when it comes to playing with fire? If you've ever been a babysitter, it's actually a very common occurence in a child's life, playing with matches, setting TP on fire and watching it burn in the toilet or sink, albeit a dangerous thing to experiment with, but none the less very normal. You say "you can't ignore stories like this" and make it seem like these people, all of whom you listed can be regularly found throughout societies and cultures, the sex offender, the playground bully, the mischievous child, are some type of oddity found crazed on drugs. In reality, the effects of the drug depend largely on their user.

themindsi: About your boss--that was not a wise ass remark. But from what I infered from his smoking habits, you gave me the impression that this is not a prioritized man. I apologize for offending you in any way.

About the drug dealers--of course the money goes back into circulation, but the point is, it takes a good deal of time to do so. Also, you seem to believe that the government is become filthy rich of this. This is incorrect. Taxes make almost the entire portion of government income.

Originally posted by themindsi
For advocates of the legalization of weed, that is a strong argument, that marijuana should be taxed like cigarettes. *This will never happen because the government needs the whole business of keeping drug users and dealers (often from the low ends of town, the skid row if you will) locked away in jails and prisons and keeping the cycles of poverty, ignorance, and streetlife going and going. *It's all a very elaborate plot they have going on. *Now, I don't have any idea of what type of area you live in, but from my perspective of living in a certified \"hood\" you begin to notice the catch 22's that people lives are placed in, you begin to really see how these things work, the cycling, the constant cycling. *
It's sickening, and sickening more so is to see the governments propaganda working on an asumingly intelligent mind such as yourself.

Do you honestly believe the government and the people working within in it want poverty, ignorance, and 'streetlife'? Government corruption can go very far, but the level you are describing is comical. It's the type you see in bad science fiction novels, movies, and anime. People are not so ridiculously evil, that they want crime to continue. Major campaigns and goals of almost all politicans include diminishing crime. Data has shown a large drop in crime nationwide since 1950-1960, although this number does fluctuate from study to study.

Listen, I know it's easy to aim the problems of your community on the government, but even if you believe this "elaborate plot" exists, you still have the power to change things (as cheesy as that is bound to sound). Encourage people to get an education, to become successful, and to help out in the community. Most crime stems from the lack of stable income, which is due to a lack of proper education. Today, you need a college education, unless you want to flip burgers all of your life, or sort mail.

And finally, I don't like to hear this "propaganda working on me" stuff. I don't like to hear that being said to anyone. It's juvenile. I believe what I choose to believe in, and I don't need the government to tell me what is right and what is wrong. I read to inform myself, and let me tell you, TV is the last place I go to learn things. The television to me is an entertainment device. I form my beliefs and truths based on various things which I read and pulled together, and government pamphlets are exactly my choice criteria...

i also couldnt believe his assumption about your boss. i didnt want to get into it because he really showed how much he thinks hes knows something in which he really knows nothing about. much like the subject at hand

stalin, if a cop finds a little bit of weed in your car he can legally steal your car for his personal use. ok thats why its illegal, because they can now legally be the mob.

if the tv does not train you stalin (and everyone who watches it unhigh), then you need to read up on subliminal messaging and the power of suggestion. once again im sure your somehow already an expert on the matter yes?

howetzer your first president was a stoner, much like most of them anyway

?????

Now, it's very rare i misunderstand you, but boy, have you lost me there!!
tell me one thing: is it supposed to be a plant pot growing out of his head, or did you pick that for the sake of censorship?


lol

well I thought it was perfect symbolism to express my 'opinion' of this discussion and it also might take jay dawg some time to understand my subliminal message.....

ooh...i'm with you know...do you realise, that could actually have a double meaning, what with the plant pot, and the picture on his t-shirt...

maybe i'm just wicked.

your an idiot mystical

i wouldn't say he's an idiot...if you read some of his other posts, ie, get to know him a bit, you'll see he can sometimes have a rather wry, droll sense of humor. Bordering on sarcastic.
Before you start calling people idiots, make sure your accusation is founded on fact, and not on the simple basis of you disagreeing with someone.

get off my back

Originally posted by jay dawg
if the tv does not train you stalin (and everyone who watches it unhigh), then you need to read up on subliminal messaging and the power of suggestion. once again im sure your somehow already an expert on the matter yes?

I don't need to be an expert. Subliminal messages have not proven to be that effective, if effective at all. In fact, they can even be counter-productive to the goal of the message itself. Most people think about the whole \"Eat popcorn, Drink Coke\" when they hear the phrase, but the effectiveness and statistics were later revealed to be falsified by those who began the test.

There a lot of controversy concerning the idea of subliminal messaging itself. It is usually rampant among conspiracy theorists as \"proof\", but again, there's no actual proof that subliminal messaging either works or is in use by the United States government (or anywhere else for the matter).

Also, this part of your statement:

(and everyone who watches it unhigh)[/b]

What does being high have do with it? Wouldn't being high make you even more susceptible to subliminal messaging (in the scenario that it does exist), taking into account it's short-term effects on the brain?

when your high enough u can see how your being trained and formed by something like the tv and can be conscious of it and take it from there. in your mental state, you cant. whatever i dont care. im outta here

I apologize for being blunt, but...that doesn't make any sense. You are really starting to lose me, here.