Thread: Please Stop Necroposting!

I'm with Nina on this. This opinion comes from me as a regular DV member, not as a moderator.

I do take this kind of personally. So far, all I've seen with the posts being bumped is random dribble. It starts out with a "Zombified!" or other "bump"-related post and then goes into random conversation, adding nothing to the original post. Personally, I don't want someone reviving my "See you in a week" tread from years back. The members here now didn't know me then and I would just find that annoying.

So I miss the comraderie of the early-ish DV. I'm not putting down the DV of today, as there are a number of people who I truly, truly enjoy. I just feel that by imposing something useless into a thread by someone I am/was friends with, that poster is imposing on my memories. If someone's going to bring up an old thread, I'd like to know exactly why they're doing it, so I don't feel like they're just trying to draw attention to themselves.

Mes, yes, you were here back when I joined. Scwigglie was one of my favorite DVers and I was sad when she was gone. But when you were gone, there was quite a bit that you weren't here for, so sometime it can be difficult to associate you entirely with the "old crowd."

I, personally, just ask that you and everyone here at DV please try to understand that the staff is trying to raise the quality of material posted here. We're trying to make this a site that is attractive to newcomers. Sure, this is a site about LDing and the dream-related forums are the most prominent, but the off-topic forums are where people can relax and try to get to know other members. I, myself, find that hard to relax and let my guard down when people randomly post something that makes me wonder whether some people have any self-restraint whatsoever.

And lastly, Cymek, would you please try and be a little more respectful? It's attitudes like, "I'm gonna do it anyway," that makes the staff's job difficult.

Originally Posted by Amethyst Star

Mes, yes, you were here back when I joined. Scwigglie was one of my favorite DVers and I was sad when she was gone. But when you were gone, there was quite a bit that you weren't here for, so sometime it can be difficult to associate you entirely with the "old crowd."
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Yeah. Thanks.

Edit: rest of post deleted cuz blah.

Edit edit: Alright. Officially bowing out of this thread. I'm getting too emotional.

Originally Posted by Amethyst Star

I'm with Nina on this. This opinion comes from me as a regular DV member, not as a moderator.

On what? What are these "sides" that we are discussing? I am trying to clarify the issue and somehow "sides" keep coming into it.

I do take this kind of personally. So far, all I've seen with the posts being bumped is random dribble. It starts out with a "Zombified!" or other "bump"-related post and then goes into random conversation, adding nothing to the original post. Personally, I don't want someone reviving my "See you in a week" tread from years back. The members here now didn't know me then and I would just find that annoying.

As I said, it is not reviving the thread that is annoying then, it is the content of the post. I see no problem in simply warning people on their senseless posts but not reviving threads. I think this action is being mis-directed.

I was a completely different person back then (when I first joined I was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia - now, I am not). I can say that I do not have a problem with anyone reading old posts of me. If I did, I would imagine that I am insecure. Not saying anyone is, but I know that is how I would feel if I was inclined as such.

So I miss the comraderie of the early-ish DV. I'm not putting down the DV of today, as there are a number of people who I truly, truly enjoy. I just feel that by imposing something useless into a thread by someone I am/was friends with, that poster is imposing on my memories. If someone's going to bring up an old thread, I'd like to know exactly why they're doing it, so I don't feel like they're just trying to draw attention to themselves.

Again with the analogous sibling irritation and content-filled post. If a newbie goes back to an old topic and makes a post that is relevant and consistent with the thread, I see no problem with it. In fact, I like it.

Mes, yes, you were here back when I joined. Scwigglie was one of my favorite DVers and I was sad when she was gone. But when you were gone, there was quite a bit that you weren't here for, so sometime it can be difficult to associate you entirely with the "old crowd."

I really think this whole "crowd" thing should be avoided and forgotten. Why? Well, have you been on DV 100% of the time in the time that you have joined? Do you read every post? Do you know every member? Are we going to start juding the relationships between members? Cut this shit out and stop mentioning old/new crowds - it's simply instigative.

I, personally, just ask that you and everyone here at DV please try to understand that the staff is trying to raise the quality of material posted here.

You started off "as a DV member, not as a moderator" but now you are concerned from a moderator position?

We're trying to make this a site that is attractive to newcomers. Sure, this is a site about LDing and the dream-related forums are the most prominent, but the off-topic forums are where people can relax and try to get to know other members.

So yes, stay consisitent with the thread. Otherwise, if I was a newbie seeing that mod's do not want me to read old threads and especially do not comment on them, then I would feel resistence and probably move along to a new forum.

I, myself, find that hard to relax and let my guard down when people randomly post something that makes me wonder whether some people have any self-restraint whatsoever.

And lastly, Cymek, would you please try and be a little more respectful? It's attitudes like, "I'm gonna do it anyway," that makes the staff's job difficult.

I agree with you here. Cymek should be more respectful and the whole defiant, rebellious, angsty, teen-like image is simply irritating.

In my opinion, this thread should get moved, forgotten, and simply tell those that are making pointless comments to stop trying to start shit because they are obviously getting the reaction that they were looking for.
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Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

Yeah. Thanks.

Edit: rest of post deleted cuz blah.

Edit edit: Alright. Officially bowing out of this thread. I'm getting too emotional.

And so the iron-curtain is formed.

Move this cursed thread and focus on the conflict directly.

Holy equivocated altercation, Batman.
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Originally Posted by O'nus

As I said, it is not reviving the thread that is annoying then, it is the content of the post.

This thread is about necromanced topics that were brought up from the dead by the few that decided to do so without any better reason and specifically brought them back without any meaningful content to add.

So, in essence, you're arguing against nothing here. Everyone realises that the problem is indeed meaningless content but this thread is just a "virtual slap" at Carousoul, CymekSniper and whoever else started doing that for the above mentioned reason, not an official thread stating new implemented forum rules or any such.

Originally Posted by Merlock

This thread is about necromanced topics that were brought up from the dead by the few that decided to do so without any better reason and specifically brought them back without any meaningful content to add.

So, in essence, you're arguing against nothing here. Everyone realises that the problem is indeed meaningless content but this thread is just a "virtual slap" at Carousoul, CymekSniper and whoever else started doing that for the above mentioned reason, not an official thread stating new implemented forum rules or any such.

Exactly, so direct the complaints at contributing meaningful content, not reviving threads.

Edit: With emphasis on respect to older content, obviously.
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Hmmmm.

Hmmmmmmmm

WHAT

O'nus,
I know you usually put out very well thought out posts. Posts that have taken much time knowledge and effort.
It is understandable to see how any member would like to see their efforts brought to light once again.

I was wondering how would you combat some of these examples - provided that ignoring them is not one of the options options.

A post of:
yaaa
true
WTF
....................
lulz
lol
How does any of those contribute to anything? It does not matter what context it is put in or what Forum.

It does not make anything more funny, more elaborate, precise - more anything as I can see.

All that I can see is that it is a member checking in, so to speak?

Originally Posted by O'nus

Exactly, so direct the complaints at contributing meaningful content, not reviving threads.

Edit: With emphasis on respect to older content, obviously.
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I have addressed this more than one time now.
Yes. We are aware of this.

It IS the content that the staff feels is draining meaningful posts. However:
The issue has always been there. The same issue has recently been in conjunction with concerns to necroing -- hence the reason for this thread. So it DOES pertain in this instance of bringing up old threads.

Otherwise it would be thecontent by itself. which in this case, it is not.

I already agreed a long time ago to start adding something to the threads I revive. I don't know why, but I feel many of you seem to have missed this.

Respect is a two-way street, and I feel like I am not receiving any respect from Burns, Amethyst Star, and Aquanina. Look in this thread, the old moderator voting thread in senseless banter, and the Persona thread here in the Lounge and you shall see what I mean. This is the reason all three of them have lost my respect.

I remember back when I was the Administrator on my old forums, nothing escaped my vision. I read every single post, monitored everyone's word choice and even tracked certain member's ip address to make sure they were in compliance with a certain rule we had. I worked my ass off. So if you can't do the job, I would give the advice to Asher to find better staff. You see Amethyst, I have no sympathy when you say "it's this type of thing that makes the staff's job difficult."

Not much of a point to my post. Just stating my feelings.

Originally Posted by CymekSniper

I feel like I am not receiving any respect from Burns, Amethyst Star, and Aquanina.

I WONDER WHY.

Jeez, respect is EARNED. Your random revival of threads that they wished be kept down there except if there were a good reason to bump them made them lose respect for you.

Then you bitch about how you've lost respect for them... OH NOES! You don't like them now anymore because they don't fangirl you for doing something they didn't want you to do? Don't expect people to like you if you make yourself unlikeable. Really, grow up and realize that there are other people in this world other then yourself.

BTW, you're losing my respect too with this necroing and then subsequent whining.

Well said Arby.

However Cymek, respect is not a 2-way street. One doesn't get respect by giving respect, one has to earn it. The moderating teams is doing one thing right now, their jobs.

You only went and changed those posts because you were going to get in shit if you didn't. It had nothing to do with you wanting to contribute. If you really wanted to contribute to those old threads you would've done so in the first place. If this wasn't brought up you'd continue disrespecting threads by posting random crap. Now that someone has told you to quit it, you've decided to make more worthwhile posts just so you can continue necroing. Making respectful posts is just one part of the problem.

As Burns said, its both the posts and the necroing. Your not doing this because you want to contribute, your doing this just so you can Necro posts for no reason other than because you can. Nina had every right to get pissed off, it is disrespectful.

One can attempt to justify it by saying "Oh its reliving the glory days!" but in reality all thats being done is having threads that once had a historic place on DV being defiled. Its like finding an Ancient artifact and sticking new bits on it. It ruins the value of the artifact and usually people just cock the whole thing up rather than make it better.

You're not receiving respect because you're not doing anything to deserve respect. Contrary to what Mes said, this isn't Oldies vs Newies. This seems more like Members vs Staff. Lately all thats been being caused is problems. The staff hasn't changed the rules, hasn't changed the mandate. Every single staff member hasn't suddenly all at once decided to start being hard-asses and gang up on a couple members.

No, the staff is doing what its always done, what its there to do. Its the same crap every damn time. Someone causes a problem, staff steps in to fix it, people get pissed at staff. Frankly I'm sick of it. That is disrespectful. If your philosophy is that respect is a 2-way street, then start showing some damn respect to the staff by showing some respect for the board and its past.