Thread: Ron Paul Drops out of the 2008 Presidential Race

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

We really, really need to make sure he runs as an Independent. It is very important that he get back in the race. Please get him to not give up the ship just yet because he has just got to take votes away from Obama remain true to his important cause. Go Ron Paul! You can do it!

when did you start saying good about RP? you always use to joke about him lol.

Originally Posted by guerilla

Honestly, I don't care if my candidate believes in evolution or not, im sure he won't have to make any decisions in office in reguards to evolution. He is a great candidate who would make us safer, richer and less taxed.

I guess you like taxes and unsafe borders and less civil liberties then, because he will restore our liberties and lower taxes dramatically.

wtf are you talking about? Xei didn't say anything like that.

I know but, he apparently hates ron paul, so he hates civil liberties and freedom.

Originally Posted by ranma187

when did you start saying good about RP? you always use to joke about him lol.

I think a lot more of him than it might appear. I agree with him on everything except how to deal with the Middle East. On domestic issues, he is the man. I just think he had no chance of getting elected, and he is the whiniest sounding public speaker I have ever heard.

I guess you like taxes and unsafe borders and less civil liberties then [...] he hates civil liberties and freedom.

Freedom woop woop! Yeah!

Seriously could you be any more cliché?

Newsflash: I already said, I'm not American, and contrary to what you may have been led to believe, nobody else in the world really gives a damn about your politicians because they don't affect us. I have no idea what Ron Paul stands for, asides from the fact that it can't be particularly intelligent.

I don't 'hate freedom', and it frightens me to think what it must be like to live with such a bipolar mindset.

Sorry hun but if you call rons idea's unintelligent, you shouldn't be taking part in this thread. His ideas are the epitome of intelligent, well there maybe be 1 or 2 things that look a little off, ask yourself this, how many fucked up idea's do the other candidates have? MANY more.

I don't mean to be a bitch but, I will defend my guy to the death.


Also, our politics does effect your country, our war in iraq has driven global oil prices us, putting the world in recession, also since gas went up, people went for biodiesel, which is now causing a food shortage..

Courtesy of the US government, now ask yourself...do our policies affect you? yes

Well for the purposes of my education mainly, could you explain to me perhaps some policies of Obama's that are fucked up?

And the war in Iraq hasn't affected us to any great deal at all. Oil prices are very high at the moment over here but that's for completely separate reasons, the war was more than five years ago now so you can't put it down to that. Food prices have not changed here.

Although I'd point out that it wasn't 'your war' as such, it was ours too. Not that I'm remotely proud of that, but it is the truth.

Yea your food prices may not have gone up but theres a global food shortage due to all this global warming alarmism and corn being burnt up by the us and other nations, And I don't know where your getting your info but the main cause of oil prices spiking is instability in the middle east, caused by the wars. And we all know the united states was the main driving force for the war.


Onto obama's messed up policies...let me name a few


He is open borders liberal, will allow illegals to enter, that cannot happen.
He wants to create a healthcare system raising taxes out of the roof
He wants to act if pakistan does not, aka attack targets in pakistan without pakistani approval..also bad


That's just a few

As for mccain:


Wants to stay the course in iraq for eternity.
Wants to cut taxes for the rich some more.
Wants to bomb iran.
Wants to make a carbon tax, taxing us on co2 emmisions which haven't been proven to cause warming.

Mccain is worse then obama, mccain is a liberal republican pretty much.

Well I don't really know enough about most of those situations to comment on them, but a national healthcare system does not raise taxes through the roof. We have one here in Britain and we live pretty luxurious lives, and it's a lot better knowing that the state is obliged to look after you for free; it actually seems very weird over here for it to be any other way. Also, surely you will pay the same amount on average whether or not health is payed for through taxes or out of your own pocket.

Also, the main thing causing the high oil prices is several countries who have plenty of oil intentionally not producing enough to make people panick, not wars. It's effectively doubled the profits of what is already a titanic industry so you can hardly blame them.

Originally Posted by guerilla

I guess you like taxes and unsafe borders and less civil liberties then, because he will restore our liberties and lower taxes dramatically.

"Civil liberties for Americans..........foreigners screw yourselves, none for you".

Originally Posted by psychology student

"Civil liberties for Americans..........foreigners screw yourselves, none for you".

Sneaking into this country illegally is not a civil liberty. It is a criminal action.

Yea, and they should be thrown in mexican jails for the crime, not flood ours..right?

We're paying taxes, to keep illegals, and potheads in prison, while murderers are being released...God Bless America? Yea right, more like God Wake America up!

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Sneaking into this country illegally is not a civil liberty. It is a criminal action.

Exactly: "civil liberties for Americans, foreigners screw yourselves, none for you (because entry is illegal)". I am endorsing the policy.

Originally Posted by psychology student

Exactly: "civil liberties for Americans, foreigners screw yourselves, none for you (because entry is illegal)". I am endorsing the policy.

You are doing what most lefties do when they discuss this. You are ignoring the fact that we have a very large system for accepting legal immigrants as citizens after they go through the proper process. Sorry to rain on your hate America party, but now you have one less excuse.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You are doing what most lefties do when they discuss this. You are ignoring the fact that we have a very large system for accepting legal immigrants as citizens after they go through the proper process. Sorry to rain on your hate America party, but now you have one less excuse.

Lefty? Kiss my ass. I was endorsing strict immigration. Nonetheless, if I were satirising, it would be directed at Ron Paul, not America.

Originally Posted by psychology student

Lefty? Kiss my ass. I was endorsing strict immigration. Nonetheless, if I were satirising, it would be directed at Ron Paul, not America.

Stop looking for excuses for me to kiss your ass. You said calling illegal immigration a criminal act means we are saying foreigners in general can go screw themselvs. That is absurd.

Do you honestly deny that you are a lefty?

Indubitably: my attitude to narcotics, and my Christian conservatism are evidence enough.

Originally Posted by psychology student

Indubitably: my attitude to narcotics, and my Christian conservatism are evidence enough.

Two exceptions. Maybe a few more.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I think a lot more of him than it might appear. I agree with him on everything except how to deal with the Middle East. On domestic issues, he is the man. I just think he had no chance of getting elected, and he is the whiniest sounding public speaker I have ever heard.

What part of his foreign policy do you have a problem with? His principles come straight from the founders of the country. We shouldn't be in the middle east. No excuses.

Oh and, hi I'm new here. Found this place through Digg.

Originally Posted by glowfood

What part of his foreign policy do you have a problem with? His principles come straight from the founders of the country. We shouldn't be in the middle east. No excuses.

Oh and, hi I'm new here. Found this place through Digg.

Oh, here we go... (Welcome to Dream Views.) You can find a whole encyclopedia worth of my opinions on the Iraq war in Extended Discussion. Go to the search option and type "Iraq". You will be amazed at how much we have debated it here. Just please make sure you read the entire encyclopedia before you try to debate me on it. I am very burned out on that topic, and I don't think there is much I can add to what I have already said. I am so ready for the Iraqi government to get its act together so our soldiers can come home and there will no longer be such a hateful political division between the two political camps of Americans. As much as I take up for our part in the war and show enthusiasm over battles won and milestones reached, I really do hate the fact that war is ever necessary.

The last thing I want is to get into a heavy debate. But in all honesty, you're saying the United States has a role as world police?

The war in Iraq was unnecessary. After President Bush could no longer convince people the Iraq war was necessary, he started using another excuse; To spread democracy throughout the middle east.

That being said, page 47-49 of the 9/11 commission report points out the United States most likely provoked the 9/11 terrorist attacks by intervening in middle eastern affairs.

Pushing our way of life on another nation is absurd. If the former soviet union had announced they would impose their way of life on United States citizens by replacing capitalism with a centrally planned economy, as a US citizen, I would have retaliated. Of course, the former soviet union would have perceived me as a terrorist.

And you may say the Iraqi citizens want democracy. Well, how many civilian casualties so far? 600,000? I believe it's even more. How many innocent lives should be sacrificed? There will always be things in this world that could be changed, but we can only do so much without bankrupting our own country.

I agree that war is necessary, just not this war.

ive posted this before but whatever

Originally Posted by glowfood

The last thing I want is to get into a heavy debate. But in all honesty, you're saying the United States has a role as world police?

The war in Iraq was unnecessary. After President Bush could no longer convince people the Iraq war was necessary, he started using another excuse; To spread democracy throughout the middle east.

That being said, page 47-49 of the 9/11 commission report points out the United States most likely provoked the 9/11 terrorist attacks by intervening in middle eastern affairs.

Pushing our way of life on another nation is absurd. If the former soviet union had announced they would impose their way of life on United States citizens by replacing capitalism with a centrally planned economy, as a US citizen, I would have retaliated. Of course, the former soviet union would have perceived me as a terrorist.

And you may say the Iraqi citizens want democracy. Well, how many civilian casualties so far? 600,000? I believe it's even more. How many innocent lives should be sacrificed? There will always be things in this world that could be changed, but we can only do so much without bankrupting our own country.

I agree that war is necessary, just not this war.

You totally ignored what I said. I never argued anything. I asked you to read what I have already written before you start debating me, and that post you just left is a debate move. Go to the Iraq threads. I majorly refute everything you just said. I am not going to write another thousand pages because you don't fully understand the drastic nature of the threat we are dealing with or why we are doing what we are doing. I have already run it into the ground. Read what I have said about it. I assure you that you will gain a whole new way of looking at the situation.

Hercuflea, do you have anything real you would like to post?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You totally ignored what I said. I never argued anything. I asked you to read what I have already written before you start debating me, and that post you just left is a debate move. Go to the Iraq threads. I majorly refute everything you just said. I am not going to write another thousand pages because you don't fully understand the drastic nature of the threat we are dealing with or why we are doing what we are doing. I have already run it into the ground. Read what I have said about it. I assure you that you will gain a whole new way of looking at the situation.

Hercuflea, do you have anything real you would like to post?

I did some brief searching before posting, and just now dug a little deeper. So far I haven't found a rational explanation for killing over half a million lives, or participating in wars without funding them. (we still haven't paid off debt from WWI).

I don't see why the United States should have the right to overthrow a government and place a new one in its place.

I don't see why the United States funds both sides of a conflict (arming our allies and our allies enemies.).

The list can go on and on.

I'm not the best at searching, so maybe you did cover all of these issues. The thing is, if you're so sick of discussing Iraq and US involvement in foreign affairs, then why bother trashing other members political positions when you know your neo-con views will spark a debate?

If you want, you could copy and paste your posts from previous discussions, but I won't bother searching just because you're not willing to participate. Even if I did search for your explanations, I would still attempt to debunk them. You'll end up posting either way.

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