DV Times - Issue #1 - Discussion

[Xox]

This thread is where the DV Times - Issue #1 will be discussed. To view the DV Times - click here. Comments, opinions, and overall feedback is welcome!

[Man of Steel]

Hey, that looks really great! Who designed the layout? It's hawt!

[Xox]

The lovely Mos did of course.

[Adrenaline Junkie]

Hmm, that looks really great! Who designed the layout? It's hawt... I think it was Mother of Steel who designed it. You should look up to her more often, you may learn something And the layout does look really nice!

[psychology student]

Dammit, they should have called article "Lulling the Flames", "Lulzing the Flames".

[Man of Steel]

You wrote it...

[CryoDragoon]

To be honest: I was disappointed. I expected much more from this... Firstly: won't the topics to write about disappear fairly quickly when doing this the way it's done now? Do we have, for example, another controversy in this forum right now except for Asher's management (for some, at least), and the ads? I feel only two more issues coming up before we have to go look for topics for the poll. I really feel like this project isn't going to last very long. 'Cause say for yourself: is lucid dreaming really that big a subject? I don't think we can fill much issues with just and only LD'ing. The article about the NBA finals was a nice sight for me, even though I don't even know what they hell they are... It was something different. And I also lacked the central theme. I found it fairly 'disorganised' simply because it went from one subject to another to another. I almost felt as though there was no communication between the writers, that there was no central organisation whatsoever, that everyone 'just wrote something' and then sent their articles in. The two articles about Mark75 and the April fool's prank is a prime example. They don't relate to each other in any way except for the fact that they're part of these forums, and they're placed right next to each other. The scope is way to broad right now. That being said, I found most of the layout nicely done, except for the aforementioned articles placed side so side when they actually had nothing to do with each other. I would place the articles underneath each other and add some fancy side-lines. Another task for the graphic designers, perhaps? And I still say we need central themes each issue. Also: I still want in on this project... XOX!!!

[♥Mark]

Exactly, I couldn't agree more. Two is not enough. There needs to be a central theme: Mark75.

[Serkat]

I think it's pretty cool. Though, corrections: - The best age to have sex for the first time is 17. - The benefit of toasted bread is increased yumminess.

[Bonsay]

I think it was ok. I liked the first half or two thirds, but then it started to get a bit boring. Yes, yes, I know it's just me. Perhaps there should be more pictures?

[AmazeO XD]

Edit Due To Butthurt.

[psychology student]

^ Well how fun! I'll remember to spank myself next time I even dare to engage in any boring activity! How dare we slave for months on this tripe, when it is evident that we should have hired Rupert Murdoch to oversee our Newsletter Empire, and the Bard to write our articles; and we have the cheek to fail to do so on our first issue, clearly the time when no mistakes must be made. Thankyou, thank you very much; I thought it was good, but today you have shown me the light, the error of our ways.

[RooJ]

Good work The only issue i had was with the width, maybe its a lack of widescreen monitor and the fact that im only using 1024x768 resolution, but i had to use the horizontal scrollbar to read sentences once id gotten to Lucid Seekers articles onwards. Infact i ended up navigating to the host site in the end which helped to a certain degree. Apart from this minor issue it had some interesting articles, such as how task of the month started out, which i wasnt aware of. It was also interesting to learn that Marks likely capable of scraping through the turing test... Although some of his answers seemed a little smarterchild ish .

[AmazeO XD]

^ Well how fun! I'll remember to spank myself next time I even dare to engage in any boring activity! How dare we slave for months on this tripe, when it is evident that we should have hired Rupert Murdoch to oversee our Newsletter Empire, and the Bard to write our articles; and we have the cheek to fail to do so on our first issue, clearly the time when no mistakes must be made. Thankyou, thank you very much; I thought it was good, but today you have shown me the light, the error of our ways. See, someone automatically shits their pants when there is negative feedback. Look, I'm not talking down on your work.. but you guys do realize you're writing a Newsletter, for a FORUM. Right? And right now, I'm in a discussion thread, for that newsletter. Do you realize the point of this? Why would you bother spending months perfecting a little article, so people would read it, and then take your opinion on it, when you can just put it in a thread on the actual forum?! "Mark75 Bio" would be a great senseless banter thread. But instead of getting to discuss it, it's just put up on a big shiny platter. Most people read "Newsletters" to find out what's going on in the community. But since there is rarely anything ever going on new (and our community isn't that big) , I doubt many people will get anything out of besides a few minutes of a timewaster. Here, I'll break it down section by section... Message from Asher: Could have been put in the Announcement Forum, but it's not like Asher is active in the community, and I would highly doubt anyone would even notice his absence (besides moderators and admins). Messages from DG's, Mod's, and Admin's: Everyone who is reading the Newsletter knows what all these three things do. The only person who wouldn't know these things, are someone incredibly new to forums, or someone new to DV (DreamGuides would be confusing). The Whole 5 Paragraphs About Starting to LD: It's called the Newbie Zone. This could have been an excellent stickied post for the Newbie Zone. In fact, I do believe there is already a thread like this in the Tutorial section. But instead of it getting stickied, and Newbies finding it and actually using it, we'll just have to hope that Newbies hop over to the Newsletter, and actually read it. But that's not what's going to happen. They will probably be searching all around the Newbie Section for something exactly like this. Trying Something New: We know you can mix techniques, anyone who has looked at the Tutorial section would know this. Once again, if it's a newb reading the Newsletter, it would have been 100% more effective if it was just a sticky in the Newbie Zone. The Benefits of Lucid Dreaming: A good article, but would have made a great "Lucid Dreaming Discussion" Thread. DEILD: It's already in the freaking Tutorial section. History of Task of the Month Club: Kind of interesting. Lulling the Flames: I couldn't believe someone actually wrote an article about flaming and bans. That's exactly what people want to see in a Newsletter; "Here's How Shitty Our Community Has Been". Freaking ridiculous. What a Mes: 6 of the questions were about sex. Some of them were just attempts to be a smart-ass. I.E. "Can you cry underwater?". But a "Submit a Question" section is usually answered by someone whose opinion's mean something, or they have some kind of merits. Someone just stood up and said "I'll answer questions people give to me!". I don't think that hardly constitutes merit. Oh, and I found the "What's your favorite position" question really funny, because there was a mistake in the layout (MoS's answer to previous question was under that question), and two girls who are no younger than 20 answering sex questions. And isn't Xox like, fucking 16 or 17? You shouldn't be answering a question about favorite sexual positions if you haven't had sex many times, and if you HAVE had sex many times at that age.. well hunny, you got some issues. April Fool's: 2 months old, outdated to read. Mark75 Biography: Brilliant article. I applause it tenfold. But it's hardly a reason to put it in a Newsletter, instead of just posting it in a thread. NBA Finals: If I want to read about NBA Finals, I will go to ESPN.com Movie Review (Zohan): Once again, it's weird that I'm reading a movie review in a Newsletter from a Lucid Dreaming website. You get what I'm saying? We aren't movie critics. We are dreamers. R/S Yes or No: What's the point? They won't ever take down R/S. Why should they? Then people will have no where to discuss religion or spirituality. And then what happens if they start discussing it in The Lounge? Bannings? All because they tore down the R/S section? So, what's the point of discussing a potential removal of R/S, when there's no way they are going to remove it. Do you understand what I mean now? The stuff about Lucid Dreaming, that is based on fact, can easily be found on our message boards. The stuff that's opinion, should be ON the message boards, not on some sky-rise Newsletter bullshit where no one can discuss it. And anything that isn't really about the community (NBA FINALS, Movie Reviews, etc etc) is just un-needed because we aren't movie critics, or sports casters. So don't get your panties in a bunch because you all worked really hard. It's not that your work is shit, it's just that it's un-needed. Why would I want to look at information, in another source, when it's just easier to discuss it in the forum?

[psychology student]

Most people read "Newsletters" to find out what's going on in the community. [. Lulling the Flames: I couldn't believe someone actually wrote an article about flaming and bans. That's exactly what people want to see in a Newsletter; "Here's How Shitty Our Community Has Been". Freaking ridiculous. So we should write about the community..........but we shouldn't. Please, your contradicting yourself, your must be ranting, not validly criticising. I see you have a problem with us putting lucid dreaming stuff, in the Newsletter for a Lucid Dreaming Forum. It may not help you, but it will help the newbies. But, next time we will make sure that it focuses on the Xbox, nihilism and cynicism just to tickle your belly.

[Xox]

What a Mes: 6 of the questions were about sex. Some of them were just attempts to be a smart-ass. I.E. "Can you cry underwater?". But a "Submit a Question" section is usually answered by someone whose opinion's mean something, or they have some kind of merits. Someone just stood up and said "I'll answer questions people give to me!". I don't think that hardly constitutes merit. Oh, and I found the "What's your favorite position" question really funny, because there was a mistake in the layout (MoS's answer to previous question was under that question), and two girls who are no younger than 20 answering sex questions. And isn't Xox like, fucking 16 or 17? You shouldn't be answering a question about favorite sexual positions if you haven't had sex many times, and if you HAVE had sex many times at that age.. well hunny, you got some issues. Uhm, excuse me? That question was completely light hearted, and we all took it as humorous. In case you didn't notice, most of us gave humorous answers to it. Read the question again, "What's your favourite position?" It can imply anything. My answer could have implied anything. So I suggest you calm down. Also, we answered the questions that were PMed to us. It's not exactly our fault if they were "smart-ass", we simply answered what was given.

[Adrenaline Junkie]

Amaze, i can't believe you think that we'd shit our pants over negative feedback. Its actually quite amusing seeing you contradict yourself. You keep saying that we should keep lucid dreaming articles in the forums for discussion, but you go and say this; Movie Review (Zohan): Once again, it's weird that I'm reading a movie review in a Newsletter from a Lucid Dreaming website. You get what I'm saying? We aren't movie critics. We are dreamers. You rarely post in the LD sections if not at all. The only reason you don't care about these articles is because they offer you no interest since your an off topic poster, you would rather hear more about the drama around the forum, but lets be honest here, this is a forum newsletter, not The Sun newspaper. There was a lot of effort put into this, it was quite broken up in fact, the April Fools article was going to be released when the newsletter was originally going to be released, if the few of us that did didn't bother to get up off our arses back a week or two ago this would never existed. Basically i appreciate the criticism, but i think you are expecting WAY to much for this first issue, its a newsletter, it was difficult to set up for a start and to get it out was much harder. We didn't get all the staff helping, it was only a select bunch of us that got together and worked on this solidly towards the release. As for the R&S article, it was good to get peoples opinions on the subject, what does it matter if it gets removed? Our views may differ but topics would likely just be locked or moved to senseless if they are related. Don't forget that a lot of arguments bleed over into on topic anyway, so would it not be better to remove the source? I have no power to do so anyways, its just a Poll, so please, get over it. But, considering what you have said, we are going to think about it, but we will not be making a custom-made newsletter just to please little Amaze.

[AmazeO XD]

Oh, more pants stains! Nope, I wasn't contradicting myself. Yes, we are dreamers. If you're making a newsletter, please do focus on new things about lucid dreaming to talk about! But let's not try to re-iterate every technique, and every way to lucid dream, as you can find it other places. Like I said, The "Benefit of Lucid Dreaming" article was good. That's the kind of stuff it should be full of. Movie reviews, Nba Finals, Teenagers answering sex questions... it's all stuff that's completely retarded. And yes, do write about the community.. but let's try to write about something a little bit more.. interesting? The two things were about the overwhelming amount of bans and flaming (making our community look negative), and April Fool's Jokes (2 months old.) Edit:Oh, just had to come back and edit this... "The History of Task of the Month" is the "community discussion" you should be writing about. In that vein. And I'm not asking you to make a Newsletter for me. I don't need someone else giving me their opinions about things that I enjoy. I'm just saying, it's retarded... making a newsletter for a forum. Why not just post the content in the forum?!

[Xox]

What a Mes: 6 of the questions were about sex. I'm seeing one about sex, and another that could have implied anything. Also, we answer the questions that were given, as I have said before. Retarded? That's just your opinion. I've had more than a few people say the NBA article was something new... We can't please everyone..

[Adrenaline Junkie]

Right, i'm going to just say that this discussion with Amaze is over, this thread is not for arguing, we did read your comments Amaze and we will consider them, whether we implement them will be up to everyone as a team. That's it, end of story. So, lets get some more opinions about this Newsletter. I'm curious to hear some further reviews of it. Thanks for all that have contributed to this thread so far

[AmazeO XD]

Lucid, once you left, MoS was able to answer my questions and hear my critiscims in a mature and calm fashion. Thanks for not being a part of it!

[kichu]

"What's your favourite position: Missionary. It's easier to pretend that way. - Mes" Yes. That is an awesome answer Mes!

[GestaltAlteration]

I believe feedback is great, but I'm forced to disagree with a lot of the points presented here. This is a newsletter by community members for community members relating to all things dreamviews. I was actually relieved by the professionalism displayed considering the writers and editors aren't exactly working top salary for the New York Times. I cannot deny that topics will become scarce, but this is no fault of the newsletter staff nor speaks of the quality. Lucid dreaming in itself, however, has endless interest to people on a valley of topics. If this were not true the on topic discussion would have died ages ago. Off-topic matters will never be impossible to report on as there are always interesting characters to interview, and new conflicts arise daily. The organizational issue arises from trouble keeping a top editor. This unfortunate impediment is a result of real life kicking in-- such as in Sindred's case. This is only a temporary problem, but understanding is needed that the staff are normal people with busy lives. They are not being payed to congregate for an eight hour work day to flesh out a perfect theme that flows together like a novel. Personally, I found the one-theme per article as refreshing. See, someone automatically shits their pants when there is negative feedback. Look, I'm not talking down on your work.. but you guys do realize you're writing a Newsletter, for a FORUM. Right? And right now, I'm in a discussion thread, for that newsletter. Do you realize the point of this? Why would you bother spending months perfecting a little article, so people would read it, and then take your opinion on it, when you can just put it in a thread on the actual forum?! I don't fully understand. Are you saying it would be better if the newsletter were just random articles posted in different threads? It wouldn't be a newsletter then, and no one would bother writing anything. In its current form it's a nice, varied and informative piece on display for all to see in one convenient location. It doesn't take long to read and is quite amusing. The argument doesn't make much sense to me. "Mark75 Bio" would be a great senseless banter thread. But instead of getting to discuss it, it's just put up on a big shiny platter. Most people read "Newsletters" to find out what's going on in the community. But since there is rarely anything ever going on new (and our community isn't that big) , I doubt many people will get anything out of besides a few minutes of a timewaster. Message from Asher: Could have been put in the Announcement Forum, but it's not like Asher is active in the community, and I would highly doubt anyone would even notice his absence (besides moderators and admins). ... R/S Yes or No: What's the point? They won't ever take down R/S. Why should they? Then people will have no where to discuss religion or spirituality. And then what happens if they start discussing it in The Lounge? Bannings? All because they tore down the R/S section? So, what's the point of discussing a potential removal of R/S, when there's no way they are going to remove it. What's the point of posting on a forum in the first place? In fact what's the point of being on the internet at all, playing games, etc? What could have been a fun, light hearted newsletter has succumbed to the sharpest of over-analysis. First off, we're not condemned to be only "dreamers". Off-topic is popular enough around dreamviews so I don't get up in a knot over a movie review, especially when it was never explicitly stated that it would be a lucid dreaming newsletter, but a dreamviews one. Yes, the place where off-topic people outnumber on-topic people. The newsletter is on display in its own board. Any lasting newbie would, at some point, check it out in curiosity. I don't know what you want, lucid dreaming related stuff or not. This forum is a bit old so of course everything has been in the tutorial or newbie section at some point. Even as a majorly off-topic poster I actually read the lucid dreaming information because it was in the newsletter. If it was in an individual thread? You can forget that. How boring can you get. I don't know what else to say. If one can't take the "What a Mes" section with a grain of salt and lots of laughs than there's little I can do. If one doesn't appreciate the article on an interesting part of the recent past like "lulling the flames" than I'm clueless. It seems you want them to shy away from controversy. That, my friend, would be boring. Your opinion is your own so I'll shut up now. - GA

[seeker28]

MoS, nice job! Overall, a good first newsletter. I worked at my university paper, so I have some level of understanding of the difficulties of pulling something like that all together. My only XD happened when I saw a couple of mistakes on my own article (which I proof-read like 10 times...) Gah, oh well. And Amaze, if it sucked so bad, why don't you step forward and write the next one?

[Mes Tarrant]

Wait a sec, I'm almost 22.