Thread: Quite a conspiracy...

wow ok this is odd down with bush down with the gov that is quite a head full to take in and now to think of it there should have been wings on the side of the building those plains are huge.

Not to mention the fact that a 757 would have knocked cars off the road with it's enormous engines. Let's say for a second that the US government did attack the pentagon to incite fear in the public so we could go to war, the reason why a small maneuvarable aircraft would be needed is because a 757 wouldn't be accurate in where it hit. The conspirators would be safe in the pentagon because they would know where the aircraft would hit. If you compare the tower's damage to the pentagon's damage, it obviously wasn't a 757 that hit the pentagon, even though that was the official story. It's simple- The government lied about what actually happened, you can't argue with that. If the government lied about what happened, they don't want you to know what happened. If it was muslim extremists that did it, there's nothing to cover up, but they removed all sorts of video footage of the event because they don't want us to see what actually hit the pentagon, which was a droned American fighter jet.

www.whatreallyhappened.com

Notice how the only actual evidence for these claims are eye-witness accounts. Memory of traumatic experiences is notoriously and horrendously unreliable.

Originally posted by bradybaker
Notice how the only actual evidence for these claims are eye-witness accounts. Memory of traumatic experiences is notoriously and horrendously unreliable.

^^ He's right. *goes quiet* : ?

(WTF DARKLORD HOW U GET IN ACCOUNT?)

I feel convinced that there was no way a 757 hit the Pentagon. :/
The hole was so small...

I think you underestimate the size of the pentagon relative to the size of a 757.

Well, to be honest it is a bit hard to know who and what to trust these days. However I do feel that is a rather compelling bit of information, though it will be completely impossible to prove it true, as the goverment had vital pieces of evidence...

P.S. I loved how they incorporated two songs from Fight Club in the presentation

Did you see the size of the holes compared to the people? Also notice how there was no major mess on the ground? Did you see the video of the plane hitting the pentagon? It was incredibly close to the ground, it should have been knocking cars off the highway with the engine's exhaust(something I knew about beforehand). Other than the fact that eye witness accounts are unreliable, did you even look at the solid evidence? If they lied about a 757 hitting the pentagon, then this whole thing was one god damn lie.

One thing to be remembered is that like any prepared movie/essay there is an underlying purpose. Information is specially prepared to give a certain impression on the viewer, and it's very effective, the media uses this all the time. Which means alot of important information which may contradict the 'pentagon' theory has been left out.

I don't get too involved in 9/11 as it hasn't affected me as much in Australia, (i still care don't get me wrong), but until a movie is made in direct contrast to the one of the link shown at the start of the thread, opinions shouldn't be cast so bluntly.

Not only that, but numerous accounts saying it sounded like a missile? Boeings don't sound like missiles, they sound like deep, rumbling bigass aircraft! And the thing about the apparent pilot's poor skill? And the confiscated video tapes? And no mess on the ground outside? Sorry, this looks suspicious.

I know it can all be explained but what are the odds - not to mention in combination with every other gov't conspiracy in the history of gov't, the odds would probably be in the 1-out-of-a-trillion range.

Normally when your doing conspiracys you try to be all sneaky and stuff. You don't fly a plane through the town for everyone to see. You also don't fly planes that close to the ground if you can avoid it, which you could easily do in a smaller plane. It just doesn't really make sense that they would try and do that.

Originally posted by Awaken+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Awaken)</div>

Not only that, but numerous accounts saying it sounded like a missile? Boeings don't sound like missiles, they sound like deep, rumbling bigass aircraft![/b]

Do you know what a missle sounds like? Have you ever heard one fly overhead? I doubt it. The fact is that these people probably have no idea what a missle sounds like, let alone be able to identify it and then compare it to what a Boeing 757 should sound like (which they probably don't know either).

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I know it can all be explained but what are the odds - not to mention in combination with every other gov't conspiracy in the history of gov't, the odds would probably be in the 1-out-of-a-trillion range.

Please elaborate on your apparently extensive knowledge of gov't conspiracies. The most important part of what you said there is \"it can all be explained\".

Originally posted by Death&#045;Wuad+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Death&#045;Wuad)</div>

It was incredibly close to the ground, it should have been knocking cars off the highway with the engine's exhaust(something I knew about beforehand).[/b]

That depends completely upon the angle at which it descended from the sky.

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And the thing about the apparent pilot's poor skill? And the confiscated video tapes? And no mess on the ground outside?

If the flight instructor ever actually made those statements at all, its very likely that he was only talking about their take-off skills, landing skills, and general operation of the plane. All they had to do on 9/11 was steer.

As for the confiscated video tapes, do you really expect them to release footage of attacks on a military facility? If terrorists flew a plane into a military base somewhere else in the world would you expect the gov't to release the tape to CNN? I don't think so.

The fact that there was no mess on the ground only proves one thing, the plane didn't skid on the ground before hitting the Pentagon. This confirms how unreliable eye-witness accounts can be and usually are..

Bradybaker, the official report is that the plane was horizontal. The video proves that. Did you even watch it?

About the sound of it- A commercial airline is unbelievably loud, and nobody was startled by that. If it actually was a 757, the accounts would have changed to "HOLY SHIT! It was so incredibly loud, it was like an m80 blew up in my face!"

The account of the size of a very fast moving object is something you can discard though.

Bradybaker, maybe you can try and show why it was a 757? You'll find it to be a thousand times more difficult.

Originally posted by Alric
Normally when your doing conspiracys you try to be all sneaky and stuff. You don't fly a plane through the town for everyone to see. You also don't fly planes that close to the ground if you can avoid it, which you could easily do in a smaller plane. It just doesn't really make sense that they would try and do that.

That's what the WTC incident was for. They blasted that all over the TV because people could see it so easily, and since it was so emotional, it was easy to use as a mask for what happened at the Pentagon. I had all but forgotten about the Pentagon incident because of what happened at the WTC. And with numerous witness reports about what they saw at the Pentagon, and the physics of the situation, it painted a much clearer picture than what the gov't was saying.

And brady, I'll use death-wuad's reply, I won't repeat him...

And about my 'extensive knowledge about gov't conspiracies', it seems that every time something suspicious happens, there's always an innocent explanation...That's where the one-in-a-trillion figure comes from. Any time there's an unusual occurance, they always manage to explain it even if the chances of it happening in such a way are slim to none.

maybe you can try and show why it was a 757? You'll find it to be a thousand times more difficult.[/b]

oh...oh...I know why, I know why!!!! Because....*clears throat*...because thats what the tv said!

Tv...tell me what to think...and radio...tell me what to like!

...and government, tell me who's the bad guy!

Even if you disregard the eyewitness accounts, FBI taking the tapes, and the record of the pilot, how do you explain that the impact of a 757 didn't even break the window glasses on the second and third floors, right above it? And a 757 has a tail too, the tail hit *something* on the thrid floor right? Somehow the tail just got tucked in...

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I can believe that the hole width does not match the wing span of a 757, though.

I think the biggest problem with this story is flight 77 (the plane that supposedly crashed into the Pentagon). If it never crashed into the Pentagon, then where did it go? http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm This is probably why there were 2 sides of the story!* The jet came in from one path, and the 757 came in from another, and then nearly collided into each

What really bothers me about this is that when flight 77 landed, there was probably a military unit waiting to execute the passengers for taking part in this horrendous event. Unless of course flight 77 never existed, or all the passengers were military personell, or it was just another automated flight. Did they ever recover the black box?

Why would they attack the pentagon then? If attacking the towers was enough why would they do it? It just doesn't make sense. Unless you think the target was the pentagon then the Towers was to cover it up.

Thats the only way it would make sense anyway. If there was something in the pentagon they want to get rid of. I don't see why they need to fly a plane into it though. Thats a pretty awkward way to go about it.

Originally posted by Estok
Even if you disregard the eyewitness accounts, FBI taking the tapes, and the record of the pilot, how do you explain that the impact of a 757 didn't even break the window glasses on the second and third floors, right above it? And a 757 has a tail too, the tail hit *something* on the thrid floor right? Somehow the tail just got tucked in... *

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I can believe that the hole width does not match the wing span of a 757, though.

Funny how, when evidence is stacked up against an individual, in court, for instance, that's usually the way the verdict goes, regardless of the person's half-assed alibi. But when the government has evidence stacked up against it, the government ALWAYS wins...Everything can be explained! Everything's okay! GO BACK TO SLEEP AMERICA.

Could have been an inside assasination, could have been to influence people within the government to vote for the upcoming wars, could have just been to create a positive emotional response from the public to the government, could have been to create the illusion that it was also an attack on the government (so as not to create the suspicion that 9/11 was an inside job), could have been to destroy a certain group within the pentagon. What exactly was destroyed within the pentagon? They were obviously very specific about what they attacked, so they either didn't want to attack the rest of it (so certain people would be safe because they knew there would be an attack), or they wanted to attack that certain spot to destroy something/someone. Let's say for a second that it was a person they were trying to kill> what would that person have to do with the WTC attacks? He might have changed his mind about what he knew and was going to release information to the media about how the government knew about or setup the 9/11 tragedy. He might have been a person that could have been against the upcoming wars? Or he might have been able to figure it all out? The major question here is: why that spot? and why ground level? With the way that area was attacked, it looked like they needed to bring down a large area with a small attack. Why else would they attack the bottom?

It doesn't seem like they where targeting any part of it. None of the reasons you stated are good enough. It had to be something they where willing to risk everything to destory. Flying a plane through town would be a huge risk.

Personlly I think it looked like the person had no idea what they where doing so almost crashed into the ground before getting there, otherwise no one would be flying that low.

"American soil is being attacked left and right! We're helpless!"

Emotional impact I suppose.