I heard Bush Is Pushing the Draft

[Lex]

Just wonder if it's true and if so what do you all think and for some of you what are you going to do (canada's open i'd love to have some friends move here lol) Eternally Lex what a choice to be screwed or Nailed....[/b]

[Alric]

Its not true, that simple.

[pantalimon]

Originally posted by Alric Its not true, that simple. I would never think that Bush would be into lucid dreaming, why did you choose Alric as your nic Mr Bush?.... Or you don't know what he's going to do... if US troops (and brits) keep getting knocked off and Bush finds he's unable to pursuade other nations to help (unlike Kerry (what have the US people done)) more young men and women will be needed. I think the draft could happen but you'll just back fill for national security and shouldn't be shipped off to Iraq... hopefully. Thankfully I'm too old and too the wrong country, I don't think the UK would even allow many more regular troops to goto Iraq.

[Lex]

There wont be a draft.[/b] someone seems sure of that...maybe it's the worry talking teehee i live really close to the states and i here many americans talking about it over here as well the man i'm with has family there i'm not uniformed ... but i do beleive that bush will push for it if pantalimon i'm glad i live in Canada but i'm the right age but i've got health crap that would stop me from going JOY

[pantalimon]

Originally posted by Lex pantalimon i'm glad i live in Canada but i'm the right age but i've got health crap that would stop me from going JOY I wish that Canadians had sway in North American politics, I'm off for food and drinks with a Canadian freind right now, must dash...

[nightowl]

i heard that it was a democrat that proposed/pushing this? is this true?

[nina]

Yes both parties were pushing the "draft" to use against their opponents. The truth is that they both blatantly stated that there will be NO DRAFT...now whether or not Bush changes his mind and screws us all over is another story.

[nightowl]

Originally posted by lucidnina Yes both parties were pushing the \"draft\" to use against their opponents. The truth is that they both blatantly stated that there will be NO DRAFT...now whether or not Bush changes his mind and screws us all over is another story. *sigh* politics ....

[Joseph_Stalin]

Better start reading the fine print to find some clauses in the draft laws.

[dougdrums]

Yeah, done that already... I will never be drafted...

[docKnubis]

what things get you out of the draft??

[jacobo]

no draft. it's political suicide. 3 democrats pushed the bill... the bill was overwhelmingly shot down in congress... the bill itself was just changes to the draft program, not an institution of the draft... both kerry and bush have been quoted to saying that the draft will not be instated... so who ever is telling you this is a dumbschitt.

[GestaltAlteration]

We are completely fine with the numbers of our US military thinking there will be a draft is ridiculous, plus he made it clear he woulden't in one of his speaches.

[Lex]

yeah and i'd trust the word of every polition who told my they wouldn't do something..... sorry all but bush is a dumb ass and i believe if it suited his agenda he's do it and i beleive he might do it (political suicide and all) look at how bad he screw up lately but he still won this time didn't he............ all i'm saying is it's possible...... He doesn't have alot if any support outside of the US EVERY ONE HATES HIM he uses things in his campaign (religion) that do not belong in politics meh any who all i'm saying is it's possible Bush is a selfish Vacation stupid President whos has the lowest number of press Con's in the history of American goverment......epecially for a man who started a war!

[GestaltAlteration]

Bush told us exactly what he would do as a politition. All the facts ALL his stratigies, RELIGION HAD VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH IT. Sure his views are based on religion but those views are shared by most republicans. (Pro life, etc) Yet people call him stupid and praised Kery! If everyone hates him WHY DID 60% OF AMERICANS VOTE FOR HIM? They could have not voted or gone non-main party. He started a war he thought was best for America, we forget the tragidy of September 11 and take forgranted what we have, alot of people just dont deserve america! If your not willing to go to war when you have liable intellegence saying it could be the END of america if not delt with then you shoulden't be leading...

[Umbrasquall]

The draft has very little chance of passing. HOWEVER, now that Bush doesn't have to worry about re-election there's a good chance that random crap like a draft (though maybe not explicitly) might find itself into our system. Originally posted by GestaltAlteration If everyone hates him WHY DID 60% OF AMERICANS VOTE FOR HIM? You want to know why? It's not cause they love Bush. It's cause that many people hate Kerry, and the other 40% who voted for Kerry really just hate Bush. This election was based on which candidate screwed up the most in their past. The real issues weren't even considered by many Americans. I'm not saying that there aren't smart people in this country, I'm just saying there aren't a lot of smart people in this country. Instead of voting for who will secure the best future for our country, or who's policies make sense, people voted on who has a better war record, who lied less, who seems less stupid, and who has the more appealing wife to offer as America's first lady. You know what? That's all negative construction. We're picking a president, not figuring out who should go to heaven. That's the WRONG way to go about selecting a leader. Anyone can blow up another person's faults to hyper-proportions, no one's perfect. But the idea that those little details and inconsistencies are so important has built the mindset that we should reject the real issues. Like healthcare, the environment, and world stability. You know I saw at my school last week a poll asking girls which presidental candidate they would more likely to date. No kidding. At face value that might seem like another useless teenage trivia just for fun, but it really strikes at the heart of matters, that people are evaluating Bush and Kerry on a totally superficial level. My school is a microcosm of American society. I bet so many people out there voted against Bush because he seems unintelligent, and I bet equally many people voted against Kerry because Bush just seemed like 'such a nice guy', and didn't have a rich foreigner with an accent for a wife. Now those of you out there that actually reviewed the platforms, and thought through the policies, and then voted according to which one you truely believed will run this country better, then more power to you. This country needs more people like that. Unfortunately most others didn't. This last election was a travesty of democracy.

[nightowl]

WHY DID 60% OF AMERICANS VOTE FOR HIM?[/b] I've been wondering about this to. Well i guess more people dont like kerry. I can see why though. imo, neither are that likeable. He started a war he thought was best for America, we forget the tragidy of September 11 and take forgranted what we have, alot of people just dont deserve america! If your not willing to go to war when you have liable intellegence saying it could be the END of america if not delt with then you shoulden't be leading[/b] i probably misinterpreted your post somehow, but liable? we went there to find weapons of mass destruction. That's it. after none were found, he found another whole reason to stay there. and end of america? please, thats kind of over exaggeratting it a bit. If we were fighting a war on american soil, then yeah, there's a problem, but we're not. America isnt in danger of terrorism(well not significantly). the media have completely blown it out of porportion. also please dont take that as a personal attack because its not(or at least i'd hope it wasn't).

[dougdrums]

What's with this "None of those" vote you people from nevada get?

[Lex]

Originally posted by GestaltAlteration Bush told us exactly what he would do as a politition. All the facts ALL his stratigies, RELIGION HAD VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH IT. Sure his views are based on religion but those views are shared by most republicans. (Pro life, etc) Yet people call him stupid and praised Kery! If everyone hates him WHY DID 60% OF AMERICANS VOTE FOR HIM? They could have not voted or gone non-main party. He started a war he thought was best for America, we forget the tragidy of September 11 and take forgranted what we have, alot of people just dont deserve america! If your not willing to go to war when you have liable intellegence saying it could be the END of america if not delt with then you shoulden't be leading... First of all read what i wrote He doesn't have alot if any support outside of the US [/b] Outside of the US Oh yeah I'm Sure Bush Has Been Everything but honest.............. his foreign relations SUCK He Has No Tact and Lies to Start Wars He Also has forgotten the TRUE GUY YOU WERE AFTER FOR 9/11 and started a fight to stop hussen Kerry's a douche like i said whatever way you went you as the american people were screwed I agree with Squall with most of what he says but theres one thing you've forgotten it is possible that the presidant with out vote can instate a draft.......... if he feels it's for the good of the nation..... don't kid yourself..

[Joseph_Stalin]

Originally posted by GestaltAlteration WHY DID 60% OF AMERICANS VOTE FOR HIM? May I remind you that the whole country did not vote, and that 60% is just of the voting populace. If everyone was properly educated by a non-partisan source, about both candidates, and were old enough to vote, you'd see some pretty god damn amazing results at the polls (and nadar might actually have more than 1 percent in each state). And about the draft, silly me forgot that our volunteer numbers are more than sufficient already. I think it's something like 100,000 in reserve, but I could be wrong.

[Lex]

that's alot? bush has killed more poeple than that in his stupid goddamn war... and don't mistake it this is HIS war........

[jacobo]

Originally posted by Lex that's alot? bush has killed more poeple than that in his stupid goddamn war... and don't mistake it this is HIS war........ i don't understand? bush killed more americans than what we have in reserves? or bush killed iraqi militants? or bush killed innocent iraqi civilians? how many civilians has saddam killed? how many innocent civilians are being killed each day in sudan? how many? how many people are being forced from their homes in sudan? get your facts/priorities straight. you're so up in arms about iraq because the liberal left tells you how to think. do you even know what's going on in sudan? do you have a fucking clue? something comparable, if not more tragic than what was happening in iraq. saddam was killing his people. whether or not i agree with bush's reason for entering iraq doesn't matter anymore... people were dying... don't ignore that fact. what about the kurds? the kurds have been dancing in the streets every day since iraq was liberated... i don't hear about that. you're arguing the wrong things my friend... you and about half this nation... it sickens me to no extent. you all claim to be humanitarians but you don't have a god damn clue about the worlds plight... you follow the 6 o' clock news and call it good. stop listening to michael moore and think for yourselves. sorry... this mindless arguing over trivial shit really gets old... so old in fact... i think it needs to be locked... anyone concur? i got a little carried away there but i feel my point still stands... sheep don't solely reside on the far right... the left has just as many... and they're just as ignorant.

[Lex]

Listen you took me wrong and i understand what your saying loud and clear but what i'm saying it bush has gone over board he's spent money the gorvement doesn't have! Listen no one is saying that they aren't glad bush did that but he's done nothing to help the people he works for Micheal moore can fuck himself everyone like i've said to others is on once side of the fence were never getting the full picture it's time to help them rebuild and start up again on a better foot as well as fouces on whats Bush has affectively collapsed the nation who made him what he is the canadian dollar is now 82 cents (go shopping) he lies, to start wars he is the biggest hippocrite in the world i Believe before anything else that bush is doing this for him self and no one else but it was lucky that those people there were in the path of what he wanted or what he did might never have happened...... I hate bush because he may very well be the weak link in the american line of presidants...... so far he's proven nothing but as well he were he stand is very contraversal for women...... I'm canadian and whatever happens in the states always has affected us the US stopped buying certain things from us because we didn't support the wars he started chasing after the world will never be safe but i hope it gets a better leader of the free world next term....... (good grief)

[Umbrasquall]

I'll take the other side adidas, I guess to balance out the information presented here. People can judge for themselves. And I'm not going to directly bash Bush... It's really our whole mindset about the 'other' world that's wrong. Sadaam was a bad man, but who's fault was it that he's still in power? If Bush Sr. had finished his war and done his job the first time around then none of this would have happened. You know maybe we all need to think about our actions before we do them, and obviously America isn't. Maybe if we hadn't given weapons to Sadaam in the first place the insurgents wouldn't be using the same weapons agains us today. We brought him into power in the first place, supported him through the period of his worst crimes, and aided him in putting down the popular uprising following the Gulf War I. Now we need oil. So guess what Sadaam? Lights out for you. Let's just find some obsure link to the Al-Queda and make up some phantom WMDs so we can have a reason to attack you so we can steal that oil. Who cares if 90% of the world doesn't see why we should attack. Hell, we're America, we'll just do it unilaterally. After all, who's to stop us? Maybe if we hadn't given the Afghans those weapons during the Cold War then they wouldn't be using those weapons against us. But we lowered ourselves down to supporting the worst and most inhumane of dictators like in Afghanistan just so we can expand our sphere of influence by a few more countries. Is that moral? I don't think so. The leaders that we have support and STILL support throughout the world are in many ways just as bad as Sadaam. But do we care? No, why? Cause they're the U.S.'s pawns. How can we talk about inhumaneness when the U.S. has been and still is now the leading small-arms dealer in the world? How can we take credit and tribulation for the wars and conflicts that we 'stop' when we fueled them in the first place? We're screwed the Afghanis anyways when we found the new playground called Iraq. Instead of rebuilding like we promised, we've left the power to local warlords who are now ruling the nation by force. They're even worse off then when the Taliban was in control. Americans really should finish what they start. People will just hate us more now. Humanitarian aid would be cool and all if that's truely how Bush and the government thinks. But face reality. It isn't. Why aren't we doing crap in Sudan? Cause they've got no resources that we can exploit. So we don't care. If Bush really cared troops would have been sent there months ago and maybe stopped the killing. After so eagerly invading Iraq, Bush seems very hesitant to do anything elsewhere. Why don't we take out the Israeli regime, whose occupation of Palestine has created a 'Hell on Earth' equal to or probably surpassing Saddam's terrors? Cause they're a 'democratic haven' and does anything we say as our base in the Middle East. Why don't we kill off the Chinese regime? Cause we need them for our economy to run. Why don't we take out the Colombian, Turkish, Saudi, and Egyptian regimes? No, we actually actively support each of these guys. Shows you how nice the U.S. really is. Approximately 30,000 children per day are killed by starvation and preventable disease by IMF-mandated austerity programs. Guess who's in charge of the IMF and World Bank? The United States. That's right, we're personally overseeing these funds that should be going to feed starving, dying children and are instead transferring them to local warlords all around the world so they can buy more U.S. patented weapons and boost our economy. How's that for humanitarian aid? Everyone should do some reading on just how bad it is in places where the U.S. spreads it's power to in name of 'democracy'. Rwanda in 1994, Jakarta in 1998, genocides, ethnic cleansing... and much much more. All caused by Uncle Sam himself. But the sad thing is that the U.S. never will acknowledge that maybe they're just pursuing foreign policy the wrong way. And the sadder thing is that no one is brave enough to point it out. This has made us more and more enemies. There are literally parts of the world that plain out HATE us. Terrorism has it's foundations in anti-Americanism. We've brought it on ourselves, now we have to sort it out. And I truly hope we can make it out alive.

[jacobo]

Originally posted by Squall+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Squall)</div> Sadaam was a bad man, but who's fault was it that he's still in power? If Bush Sr. had finished his war and done his job the first time around then none of this would have happened.[/b] should it then be clinton's fault that the taliban wasn't taken care of? bush had 8 months to get terrorism under control... clinton had 8 years. less than a month into clinton's administration an attack of 9/11's magnitude was attempted... nothing was done. are we so blind as to not see a threat? Originally posted by Squall+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Squall)</div> You know maybe we all need to think about our actions before we do them, and obviously America isn't. Maybe if we hadn't given weapons to Sadaam in the first place the insurgents wouldn't be using the same weapons agains us today. We brought him into power in the first place, supported him through the period of his worst crimes, and aided him in putting down the popular uprising following the Gulf War I. Now we need oil. So guess what Sadaam? Lights out for you. Let's just find some obsure link to the Al-Queda and make up some phantom WMDs so we can have a reason to attack you so we can steal that oil. Who cares if 90% of the world doesn't see why we should attack. Hell, we're America, we'll just do it unilaterally. After all, who's to stop us? Maybe if we hadn't given the Afghans those weapons during the Cold War then they wouldn't be using those weapons against us. But we lowered ourselves down to supporting the worst and most inhumane of dictators like in Afghanistan just so we can expand our sphere of influence by a few more countries. Is that moral? I don't think so. The leaders that we have support and STILL support throughout the world are in many ways just as bad as Sadaam. But do we care? No, why? Cause they're the U.S.'s pawns. How can we talk about inhumaneness when the U.S. has been and still is now the leading small-arms dealer in the world? How can we take credit and tribulation for the wars and conflicts that we 'stop' when we fueled them in the first place? [/b] we choose the lesser of two evils when it came to iraq and iran... what did you do no more than a day ago? i know i voted for the lesser of two evils... <!--QuoteBegin-Squall@ We're screwed the Afghanis anyways when we found the new playground called Iraq. Instead of rebuilding like we promised, we've left the power to local warlords who are now ruling the nation by force. They're even worse off then when the Taliban was in control. Americans really should finish what they start. People will just hate us more now. no argument here. <!--QuoteBegin-Squall Humanitarian aid would be cool and all if that's truely how Bush and the government thinks. But face reality. It isn't. Why aren't we doing crap in Sudan? Cause they've got no resources that we can exploit. So we don't care. If Bush really cared troops would have been sent there months ago and maybe stopped the killing. After so eagerly invading Iraq, Bush seems very hesitant to do anything elsewhere. Why don't we take out the Israeli regime, whose occupation of Palestine has created a 'Hell on Earth' equal to or probably surpassing Saddam's terrors? Cause they're a 'democratic haven' and does anything we say as our base in the Middle East. Why don't we kill off the Chinese regime? Cause we need them for our economy to run. Why don't we take out the Colombian, Turkish, Saudi, and Egyptian regimes? No, we actually actively support each of these guys. Shows you how nice the U.S. really is. the truth is: -as of february 2003 over 50,000 people have died in sudan. -1.4 million people have been driven from their homes -women are being raped daily -children are being sold into slavery daily -only one UN security council resolution has been set against the region... that expired august 30th 2004 and it has yet to be met. it called for a disarmament of the rebels. -sudan is sitting on massive oil fields so this whole \"cause they've got no resources that we can exploit\" thing doesn't hold water. -UN sanctions were pushed against sudan's oil industry but immediately china threatened to use it's veto power to stop any sanctions of the sort. this sanction was openly opposed by china, france, syria, pakistan, and russia... a funny little tid bit on information is that both china and france are the largest investors in sudanese oil... so we're the bad guys? we are if you listen to any leftist liberal. Originally posted by Squall Approximately 30,000 children per day are killed by starvation and preventable disease by IMF-mandated austerity programs. Guess who's in charge of the IMF and World Bank? The United States. That's right, we're personally overseeing these funds that should be going to feed starving, dying children and are instead transferring them to local warlords all around the world so they can buy more U.S. patented weapons and boost our economy. How's that for humanitarian aid? some more facts: -we sent $243 million in aid to sudan and chad. -japan, germany, france, spain, italy, and belgium have, in total, provided just over $11.5 million in aid. -the four richest gulf states, saudi arabia, kuwait, qatar, and the united arab emirates have made \"totally insignificant\" contributions according to a UN official. the fact is that as the world leader other countries look to us to spearhead this shit. it's our role, as stupid as it sounds. we're expected to aid people in trouble... where things get fucked is when the media gets a hold of this shit. they take it and prioritize it... then show us what they want us to see... and the sheep eat it up... the sheep then argue what they've been shown and pay no attention to the suffering economy, the situation in africa, afghanistan... have you seen any media coverage of afghanistan? have you heard anyone bitch about their plight? no. not in main stream media... not in politics... ohh no! we're sitting here worried that gays are going to be able to marry... it's sickening. Originally posted by Squall Everyone should do some reading on just how bad it is in places where the U.S. spreads it's power to in name of 'democracy'. Rwanda in 1994, Jakarta in 1998, genocides, ethnic cleansing... and much much more. All caused by Uncle Sam himself. But the sad thing is that the U.S. never will acknowledge that maybe they're just pursuing foreign policy the wrong way. And the sadder thing is that no one is brave enough to point it out. This has made us more and more enemies. There are literally parts of the world that plain out HATE us. Terrorism has it's foundations in anti-Americanism. We've brought it on ourselves, now we have to sort it out. And I truly hope we can make it out alive. you're just proving my point. the world hates us.. not because of bush... but because american's don't pursue knowledge of these atrocities... rather they engage in provincial arguments about stupid shit like iraq and whether bush is making good decisions! the decisions don't matter! the fact that he got elected for another 4 years is what's killing us! the fact that 43% of american's still think that saddam was somehow responsible for 9/11! we're a stupid people! it's as simple as that. if we were at all informed we wouldn't have bush as a president right now... so don't push this onto the newly elected president... push it onto you fellow ignorant sheep.