Thread: Lifting Ban on Ivory

Yeah but.

Have you seen how prett ivory is?

I mean seriously. I want me a cane of that shit.

I signed it.

As did I.

Lifting the ban would be dumb. They'd only make a quick buck before all the population were destroyed.

Originally Posted by Siиdяed

Yeah but.

Have you seen how prett ivory is?

I mean seriously. I want me a cane of that shit.

Yeah, my piano keys are made of ivory lol.
haha.
But yeah, I'm sure there's fake ivory which looks just as good.

Black_Eagle - Yeah, nobody cares about that. A quick buck is still a quick buck. Most things that rich countries want are procured at a cost to the thing/place it's being procured from.
Metal in phones, forgot what it's called, it's destroying Gorillas habitats to mine it, when we could just recycle it from old phones. Frankincense for incense is destroying tree populations, it's mostly used for nativity plays, when they could just use any old thing that looks like frankincense.

I could go on and on, but you get the point.

Thanks for signing guys!

This makes me sad. D:

What's upsetting is that I'm noticing a recent trend of environmental backlash (like trying to ruin the Clean Air Act, lifting hunting restrictions even in my own state, etc), when we should in fact be pressing on for more significant progress.

I signed it. Looks like the petition is growing quite rapidly in only seconds, so I'm remaining hopeful and optimistic.

Back in ancient days there was this ancient form of capital punishment where an Elephant would be trained to stand up on its hind legs and crush the head of an offender into pulp with its forelegs.

Wouldn't be Ironic if this was the punishment for poaching Elephants?

Originally Posted by SkA_DaRk_Che

Back in ancient days there was this ancient form of capital punishment where an Elephant would be trained to stand up on its hind legs and crush the head of an offender into pulp with its forelegs.

Oh God not again.

Heh, the elephant in that picture has cut off tusks too.

Deery, yeah we have lifted hunting restrictions here too, for ducks anyway. It's just ridiculous.

I'd say more but I've gotta go to bed, night dreamviews!

Why are elephants so significant?

Originally Posted by Marvo

Why are elephants so significant?

As opposed to?

Originally Posted by Spartiate

As opposed to?

+100

There's absolutely nothing else to say. That was perfect man....

I'm all for saving elephants, but lifting hunting restrictions on species that are not endangered isn't so bad. I'm curious as to why you guys (tommo and Deery) think otherwise.

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

I'm all for saving elephants, but lifting hunting restrictions on species that are not endangered isn't so bad. I'm curious as to why you guys (tommo and Deery) think otherwise.

I agree.
keeps the population down, but if they're endangered then it's because we're using them for stupid reasons (for fashion for instance, as apposed to using every part/food/skin etc.

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

I'm all for saving elephants, but lifting hunting restrictions on species that are not endangered isn't so bad. I'm curious as to why you guys (tommo and Deery) think otherwise.

Depending on the species, elephants range from "Near Threatened" to "Endangered". Also it's pretty stupid to hunt the largest land animal in the world just for its tusks. Ivory hunters kill an elephant, rip the tusks out and leave the carcass to rot.

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

I'm all for saving elephants, but lifting hunting restrictions on species that are not endangered isn't so bad. I'm curious as to why you guys (tommo and Deery) think otherwise.

Ah, jeez, I dunno, maybe because it's pointless?
Why does something have to be endangered before we do anything to protect it? Most of the time it's too late by then anyway.

guitarboy - Why the fuck do we need to keep the population down!?
That's just so irrational. This isn't The Day of the Dolphin.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Depending on the species, elephants range from "Near Threatened" to "Endangered". Also it's pretty stupid to hunt the largest land animal in the world just for its tusks. Ivory hunters kill an elephant, rip the tusks out and leave the carcass to rot.

NOT U > .<

Originally Posted by tommo

Ah, jeez, I dunno, maybe because it's pointless?
Why does something have to be endangered before we do anything to protect it? Most of the time it's too late by then anyway.

guitarboy - Why the fuck do we need to keep the population down!?
That's just so irrational. This isn't The Day of the Dolphin.

I'm not saying we shouldn't do anything to protect animals that are not endangered, but lifting hunting restrictions on certain species that are not endangered makes sense. We need to keep certain populations of animals down because a) they might be highly invasive thus competing with indigenous species b) they might be living near people and are becoming a nuisance c) they might be destroying property. Wild pigs, for example, do all of the above.

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

NOT U > .<



I'm not saying we shouldn't do anything to protect animals that are not endangered, but lifting hunting restrictions on certain species that are not endangered makes sense. We need to keep certain populations of animals down because a) they might be highly invasive thus competing with indigenous species b) they might be living near people and are becoming a nuisance c) they might be destroying property. Wild pigs, for example, do all of the above.

Yeah, that's one example. And I think bears do the same too in Canada. But that's OUR fault. WE invaded their territory in the first place. I spose as long as the animals are not endangered, are threatening lives/property, and the bodies are used for dog food or something, then that's ok. The "not endangered" thing is probably the most important. Because then when humans become way too overpopulated, we still couldn't kill animals who's habitats we've invaded again. Of course this won't be a law, we're gonna end up invading every square inch of the planet, but I'm just hypothetically if that were a law or something.

But what I do have a problem with is saying "ok this species of deer or bird is not endangered, let go hunt this year for no other reason but to kill some shit". That sickens me.

The reality is that the people making money off ivory will do so regardless of whether it is illegal of not. They poach the elephants and sell the ivory on the black market, probably for more then what they would if it was legally sold. This is all happening in very undeveloped areas of Central Africa. People are doing what they have to in order to eat, and the country can not afford to enforce these laws.

Yeah but most people won't bother to buy ivory if it's illegal. Only very rich, selfish people.

Originally Posted by guitarboy

I agree.
keeps the population down, but if they're endangered then it's because we're using them for stupid reasons (for fashion for instance, as apposed to using every part/food/skin etc.

Or, if they are endangered, it's because of other natural environmental factors which has made hundreds of thousands of species extinct long before we were even around.

Not talking about elephants specifically, just about us taking responsibility for every animal in the slightest bit of trouble.

Originally Posted by spockman

Or, if they are endangered, it's because of other natural environmental factors which has made hundreds of thousands of species extinct long before we were even around.

Not talking about elephants specifically, just about us taking responsibility for every animal in the slightest bit of trouble.

If you look at the statistics, they prove humans are speeding up the extinction of species. Including our own.

Originally Posted by tommo

Ah, jeez, I dunno, maybe because it's pointless?

Damn right, it's pointless. It's not like the concept of hunting has ever been crucial to the survival of certain species of animal or anything. Besides, who needs protein, anyway?

Originally Posted by tommo

If you look at the statistics, they prove humans are speeding up the extinction of species. Including our own.

There's lies. There's damned lies. And then, there's statistics.