Thread: Concerned to use Supplements

What supplements are you going to be using? I can't speak for all of them, but I can speak for the ones I've been using.

I take Lecithin, b6, Galantamine, and Choline. Not altogether and not everyday, but it would average to the amount of time you were wondering about. I can say that none of these supplements seems to have a negative effect on your Dreaming, both while you are taking them and after you have stopped. In fact, I've had more Lucid Dreams in the time since I've started taking them than the entirety of my life before I took the first. I've continued to have Natural vivid and lucid Dreams in the intermission between doses, they are simply made more vivid, and somewhat longer too when I use a little help. Especially the Galantamine/Choline combo. More often than not I have a Lucid while using it.

My advice is that any supplement you are interested in using be researched first, but aside from that these I've mentioned seemed to help without and side effects I can notice. Hope this was some help to you.

Originally Posted by PlanesWalker

What supplements are you going to be using? I can't speak for all of them, but I can speak for the ones I've been using.

I take Lecithin, b6, Galantamine, and Choline. Not altogether and not everyday, but it would average to the amount of time you were wondering about. I can say that none of these supplements seems to have a negative effect on your Dreaming, both while you are taking them and after you have stopped. In fact, I've had more Lucid Dreams in the time since I've started taking them than the entirety of my life before I took the first. I've continued to have Natural vivid and lucid Dreams in the intermission between doses, they are simply made more vivid, and somewhat longer too when I use a little help. Especially the Galantamine/Choline combo. More often than not I have a Lucid while using it.

My advice is that any supplement you are interested in using be researched first, but aside from that these I've mentioned seemed to help without and side effects I can notice. Hope this was some help to you.

Thank you very much; your reply was extremely helpful. I was planning on buying a Galantamine/Choline combo pill to take a few times a week. From what your post reads, this habit will not cause me to have any additional difficulty lucid dreaming if I eventually stop taking these? I would hate to cause myself to have trouble with lucid dreams later on just because I took supplements.

Originally Posted by seank12

I was planning on buying a Galantamine/Choline combo pill to take a few times a week. From what your post reads, this habit will not cause me to have any additional difficulty lucid dreaming if I eventually stop taking these? I would hate to cause myself to have trouble with lucid dreams later on just because I took supplements.

Galantamine/choline combo is an awesome SUPPLEMENT. It will help you achieve lucid dream, but only if you already practicing induction techniques. You see, it may give you some awareness in a regular dream for a DILD, or get you closer to entering a dream lucidly with WILD. But only if you already do reality checks, mental preparation by practicing awareness, if you know how to keep your mind awake for a WILD, and all that stuff.

So if I may, it would be really best for you to read tutorials

Induction Methods and Techniques
WILD

practice (DILD is usually recommended for starters) and get into a right mindset by setting your intent.

If you google Thomas Yuschak's Advanced Lucid Dreaming: The Power of Supplements, you just may find a pdf someplace. He did a lots of experiments with Galantamine, choline and many other LDing supplements and describes doses, how they work, how often to take and many other very usefull things. I have the book at home and reference it all the time.

I'm not saying you have not read tutorials or you are not practicing, I simply don't know, because you are not mentioning it. But just in case you don't, those above would be my recommendations. Good luck and looking forward to posting your progress.

Originally Posted by gab

Galantamine/choline combo is an awesome SUPPLEMENT. It will help you achieve lucid dream, but only if you already practicing induction techniques. You see, it may give you some awareness in a regular dream for a DILD, or get you closer to entering a dream lucidly with WILD. But only if you already do reality checks, mental preparation by practicing awareness, if you know how to keep your mind awake for a WILD, and all that stuff.

So if I may, it would be really best for you to read tutorials

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practice (DILD is usually recommended for starters) and get into a right mindset by setting your intent.

If you google Thomas Yuschak's Advanced Lucid Dreaming: The Power of Supplements, you just may find a pdf someplace. He did a lots of experiments with Galantamine, choline and many other LDing supplements and describes doses, how they work, how often to take and many other very usefull things. I have the book at home and reference it all the time.

I'm not saying you have not read tutorials or you are not practicing, I simply don't know, because you are not mentioning it. But just in case you don't, those above would be my recommendations. Good luck and looking forward to posting your progress.

Thank you very much for your response I know a few different techniques, and have been practicing reality checks, ADA, etc. Funny you should mention that book, I am actually about 80 pages in right now! The reason this question even arose from me was because I read a review on that book from a person saying that they had been lucid dreaming for 10 years, and after taking supplements for a while, this person could no longer lucid dream naturally. Here is an excerpt from the review:

"Well, any true Toltec path threader, or any serious lucid dreamer will tell you of the dangers of attaching your success rate to an external factor, and let me tell you, I was *truly* scared/disheartened when I realized that I was unable to LD anymore without taking these over the counter medications, as a matter of fact it took me nearly a full year to be able to LD again after I ran out of the first and only batch of supplements, and I had been consistently doing it for 10 years.

Do yourself a favor, research on the myriads of techniques for developing your LD ability without attaching yourself to anything mentioned on this book. And if you are interested in the Toltec path, research even more, because there are causes and consequences to LD which do not pertain to this review but that will be affected by this kind of practices."

If you have any comment on that, it would be welcome

You could develope tolerance to either GM or choline, I don't recall right now. But he writes about it in his book you are reading. He also recomends taking it no more often that every few days and little more often if you take Piracetam. Piracetam is suppose to chase it out of your system faster, so it doesn't keep effecting your system up to 24 hrs after you took it.

I took it as he recommends, but I think I was developing tolerance to it anyway. So maybe take it even less often that he says.

Now, the issue of not being able to LD when someone stops taking GM - maybe that person was not very good at LDing before. Because as you know, supplements don't give you LD by themselves. You have to already know how to, and they may help. Or he developed tolerance and GM stoped being effective. That's when you need to take a long break and hope your system will repair itself.

So if you already know how, and best way to prove it is to have a LD, then taking supplements will not take that ability away from you. Other things, like stress, lack of practice may have played a role of that person losing LDing ability.

GM +choline is not suppose to be an everyday thing. You can make it a special occasion, like on a weekend when you can sleep in and have a long lucid. But rest of the days, i would be just trying by myself. That way you will know that you can do it without them. Gool luck

Originally Posted by gab

You could develope tolerance to either GM or choline, I don't recall right now. But he writes about it in his book you are reading. He also recomends taking it no more often that every few days and little more often if you take Piracetam. Piracetam is suppose to chase it out of your system faster, so it doesn't keep effecting your system up to 24 hrs after you took it.

I took it as he recommends, but I think I was developing tolerance to it anyway. So maybe take it even less often that he says.

Now, the issue of not being able to LD when someone stops taking GM - maybe that person was not very good at LDing before. Because as you know, supplements don't give you LD by themselves. You have to already know how to, and they may help. Or he developed tolerance and GM stoped being effective. That's when you need to take a long break and hope your system will repair itself.

So if you already know how, and best way to prove it is to have a LD, then taking supplements will not take that ability away from you. Other things, like stress, lack of practice may have played a role of that person losing LDing ability.

GM +choline is not suppose to be an everyday thing. You can make it a special occasion, like on a weekend when you can sleep in and have a long lucid. But rest of the days, i would be just trying by myself. That way you will know that you can do it without them. Gool luck

Awesome, thanks a bunch for all the tips. Did you happen to be taking Piracetam when you were building up the tolerance?

Additionally, when you said "I don't recall right now", did you mean that you have poor dream recall after taking these supplements?

Lol, I just don't remember now which one you can build the tolerance for.

And yes, I was taking Piracetam, but lover dose than recommended. And I'm not sure I was building up tolerance. Y. discribes it as dreams starting to get bizzare. But what was happening to me was that I didn't feel the usuall transition sensations. And thinking of it now, with lot more experience under my belt, it could have been just the nature of transition, which is not always the same.

I was not taking full dose of Piracetam, because he says, that it may mess with dreams or lucid dreams even the next day. And I didn't want that.

But I took GM+Choline after about a year of break just 2-3 weeks ago and it worked like a charm. But I have also gotten pretty good with WILDing, so I can't really say what helped and how much.

And Galantamine and Piracetam are called "smart drugs", because they are suppose to help you with your cognitive brain functions. They are supposedly making people smarter.

Do some research about it to see if you wanna take them. They are not addictive at all and it would be wery hard to overdose on Piracetam. And Alzheimer patients are taking galantamine in higher doses than doses needed to induce LD.

When you reading Yuschak's book, he has everything mentioned in more than one place. So to get the whole picture, you have to find all referrences to it. Or google the pdf, much easier to search in that.

Originally Posted by gab

Lol, I just don't remember now which one you can build the tolerance for.

And yes, I was taking Piracetam, but lover dose than recommended. And I'm not sure I was building up tolerance. Y. discribes it as dreams starting to get bizzare. But what was happening to me was that I didn't feel the usuall transition sensations. And thinking of it now, with lot more experience under my belt, it could have been just the nature of transition, which is not always the same.

I was not taking full dose of Piracetam, because he says, that it may mess with dreams or lucid dreams even the next day. And I didn't want that.

But I took GM+Choline after about a year of break just 2-3 weeks ago and it worked like a charm. But I have also gotten pretty good with WILDing, so I can't really say what helped and how much.

And Galantamine and Piracetam are called "smart drugs", because they are suppose to help you with your cognitive brain functions. They are supposedly making people smarter.

Do some research about it to see if you wanna take them. They are not addictive at all and it would be wery hard to overdose on Piracetam. And Alzheimer patients are taking galantamine in higher doses than doses needed to induce LD.

When you reading Yuschak's book, he has everything mentioned in more than one place. So to get the whole picture, you have to find all referrences to it. Or google the pdf, much easier to search in that.

I just finished the book It was very informative and I learned a lot from it. I want to thank you for helping me so much with all your knowledge, and it is greatly appreciated. If there is anything you need in return or need help with, feel free to PM me! Thanks again