How many DVers think LUCI will work?

**StephL** · 11-12-2013 06:50 PM

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Seems in the 60s while hippieness etc. - some children were given LSD.
With the "amazing" - but explainable result - that they didn´t think a lot of it.
Reporting life wasn´t really that different from how it usually was. Need a source for this - might find one, even.

Nope - I did some research and this is not, as I remembered it.

There were very young children´s case reports up to older kids - mostly anecdotal - but seems the very young kids (two cases of babies even) started screaming and being afraid of things - at least at the onset, while the older the children were - the more the similarities to what adults tend to report.

But no indifference or failing to recognize a vast difference to normal reality.
Ranging from intense bad trips to an 8-year-old girl expressing herself amazingly well and reporting transcendental/religious epiphany.

What is very interesting, though - while the initial above line of thinking seems not tenable at all - there have been studies done on autistic children and ones with very early onset schizophrenia with seemingly great success.

These are two old studies - logically they can´t be followed up nowadays, since it is a class 1 prohibited substance almost everywhere in the world - mainly due to commercial treaties with the USA, who force this classification on all partners.
So - you have to hold up doubts concerning these studies - not large groups - probably not properly done according to guidelines of drug-testing these days.

So I will refrain from linking up - and express the in my eyes justified reluctance to blindly accept any of it, until further confirmation (next millennium maybe..?).
You´ll find, if you look!

**Ethral** · 01-02-2014 12:14 PM

So if im not getting this wrong, (please tell me if i do) luci makes a sound when you're in REM and that will make you lucid since you're suppose to hear it in your dream. Why cant you just make a app that does the same thing? I know luci has a brainwave thing that sees when you're in REM but cant you just try to find out when you actually are in REM instead of spending 100$+? If theres anything else that ive missed please tell me!

Sorry for my spelling, English is not my language and im writing this on my phone

**Manoko** · 01-02-2014 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Ethral

So if im not getting this wrong, (please tell me if i do) luci makes a sound when you're in REM and that will make you lucid since you're suppose to hear it in your dream. Why cant you just make a app that does the same thing? I know luci has a brainwave thing that sees when you're in REM but cant you just try to find out when you actually are in REM instead of spending 100$+? If theres anything else that ive missed please tell me!

Sorry for my spelling, English is not my language and im writing this on my phone

App for that already exists. Search DreamZ on your smartphone for example.

**StephL** · 01-02-2014 03:50 PM

Thing is - LUCI was a scam - it didn't record any brain-waves - and it even could't have ever - after how it was supposedly technically set up - but again - it was a scam to pull money off people over a crowd-funding regime. There never even existed a prototype.

**Sageous** · 01-02-2014 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Ethral

So if im not getting this wrong, (please tell me if i do) luci makes a sound when you're in REM and that will make you lucid since you're suppose to hear it in your dream. Why cant you just make a app that does the same thing? I know luci has a brainwave thing that sees when you're in REM but cant you just try to find out when you actually are in REM instead of spending 100$+? If theres anything else that ive missed please tell me!

It turns out that timing the signal from your machine or app to sync with the onset of REM is not so easy, and the best way to trigger that signal is to have it keyed on specific REM-related physical changes, like eye movement or brain waves.

So, if you are able to pinpoint the onset of your REM periods, there is indeed an app for that. But if you are like pretty much everybody and can't accurately guess ahead of time when you'll start a REM period, then a detecting device (i.e., the NovaDreamer) would be most helpful in sending you a signal at the right time.

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