Thread: Galantamine + Choline

I tried galantamine + choline for the first time today and it actually worked! You can read about what happened in my dream journal (1st Feb).

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

I do think EGCG helps--at least when I added it, my dreams improved.

Anyone does know why it works? After all, it's recommended here http://www.advancedld.com/LDS_profiles.html But there isn't describe how and why it works.

Just thought you might find this interesting...


If I take Galantamine + Choline, then Piracetam: I have a nice calm feeling of well being the next day.

If I take Galantamine + Choline: I feel no different at all, other then a small head ache.

If I take Piracetam: My brain seems to work better, but no well being.

Originally Posted by maybe

Anyone does know why it works? After all, it's recommended here http://www.advancedld.com/LDS_profiles.html But there isn't describe how and why it works.

http://www.advancedld.com/articles/a...0712/95390.htm

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

http://www.advancedld.com/articles/a...0712/95390.htm

I meant EGCG.
But I found this one http://www.psa-rising.com/eatingwell/tea-memory.html

Sorry, I got mixed up what you were asking, but thanks for posting that.

I took 4mg galantamine and 500 choline last night 5 hours after sleeping.

IT did nothing besides keep me up for 2 hours, then when i woke up int he morning, it had no sideeffects what soever

should i go to 8mg?

That happens sometimes.

Add either a low dose of melatonin (it doesn't help with dreaming, but has a short half-life, maybe use 300 micrograms) or 200-300 milligrams of theanine (an amino acid from green tea that very relaxing--that's what I use, and it helps a lot).

You could stick with the 4mg and see if those help; you need to get to sleep first to see if it is enough.

So do i take theanine with the galantamine, or before going to bed?

Last night I also took 150mg 5-HTP before going to bed, to get rem-rebound with the galantamine, to have super long lucids.

Maybe i was took awake and just couldnt get into HI?

I have melatonin and theanine, but i havent tried anything with theanine yet.
Sucks ill have to wait till next weekend to try the galantamine tho.

I was wondering..

How do you do the WILD with galantamine? Is it all the same thing? You just sit still and wait for HI? Then try to slip into the dream?

Hey man, I've had some trouble with WILD's as you know, but last night, I took 8 mg Galantamind and tried to do some energy raising exercises from the book "Astral Dynamics." I think it had more to do with the focusing on one thing than the raising of energy, but it almost worked. I got farther than I ever had before. I don't know if it'll help you, but it might be something you want to try.

[quote=moe007;699865]So do i take theanine with the galantamine, or before going to bed? [/quote}

With the Gm.

Originally Posted by moe007

Last night I also took 150mg 5-HTP before going to bed, to get rem-rebound with the galantamine, to have super long lucids.

5-HTP has never done a thing for me.

Originally Posted by moe007

Maybe i was took awake and just couldnt get into HI?

The choline is stimulating, that's why you need something to counter-act it. I don't stay up; I take it and go right back to sleep. It doesn't really feel like a WILD usually, but I am instantly in a lucid (if all goes well.)

Originally Posted by moe007

I have melatonin and theanine, but i havent tried anything with theanine yet.
Sucks ill have to wait till next weekend to try the galantamine tho.

The theanine is really helpful; I take it with all my combos. Yea, I know it sucks to screw up a Gm night. You can try again the next night, sometimes it works. But that's all I've gotten out of it, just twice--then I have to lay off for at least a week.

Originally Posted by moe007

How do you do the WILD with galantamine? Is it all the same thing? You just sit still and wait for HI? Then try to slip into the dream?

I am not a good WILDer. However, with Gm I have occasionally been able to, probably because it only takes a few minutes. Otherwise, like I said, I just got to sleep and it works.

I agree with moonbeam about WILDs with GM. My experience has bene that I do actually fall asleep but am lucid right away.

By the way, I've tried GM 4 times now. 3 of 4 times I've been lucid. The last time produced a 45 minute LD - my longest ever by far (mine usually last less than 5.)

Originally Posted by skywatcher

I agree with moonbeam about WILDs with GM. My experience has bene that I do actually fall asleep but am lucid right away.

You have to fall asleep to be able to dream

But I know what you mean, sometimes it is kind of seamless, sometimes it feels like there is a phase in between where you sleep unconciously and then, after a while, the dream starts (and you recognize it immediately).

I had my very first successful WILD last night using Galantamine + Choline.

I have kept track of my other successful WILDS and non-successful ones.

Here are the common details that made them happen for those that care...

- I got less sleep then I needed all week.. Not for this purpose. But that explains why I was tired...
- Being very tired when going to bed.
- Not really feeling like waking up to WILD cause I was so tired I wanted to sleep. (Got up 5 hours after going to bed)
- Then I stayed up till I was a wake and then a while later I got tired and wanted to go back to bed. (Stayed up for 1 hour.)
- I took 8mg of Galantamine, and 500mg Choline
- I WILD and then started counting when I felt my self going into the dream world... It was interesting cause stuff just started appearing around me. Very cool.



Fun dream though... Was able to have sex without waking !

Where does everyone here get their galantamine? Everywhere I've found it it's over $60 a bottle for around 2 months supplyl, that's prety steep. Anyone ever try huperzine for improved dream recall? Both galantamine and huperzine are acetylchonisterase inhibitors and huperzine is much cheaper.

Originally Posted by DCDavid

Where does everyone here get their galantamine? Everywhere I've found it it's over $60 a bottle for around 2 months supplyl, that's prety steep. Anyone ever try huperzine for improved dream recall? Both galantamine and huperzine are acetylchonisterase inhibitors and huperzine is much cheaper.

I buy Galantamind, and I think its $40.

As for a 2 month supply, you should not be doing this more then twice a week. It loses its effectiveness. So the bottle should last like 6-12 months.

Are you saying twice a week for the dream related effects only? I know of many people who use it daily for the nootropic effects, along with piracetam, choline, huperzine etc.

Originally Posted by DCDavid

Are you saying twice a week for the dream related effects only? I know of many people who use it daily for the nootropic effects, along with piracetam, choline, huperzine etc.

Correct. For some reason it will stop working if you use it everyday.

Well I've decided to hang up GalantaMind & Choline. I went to bed and slept well with 5HTP. Woke up around 3 took 4 mg G and 500mg Choline. It took me a couple of hours to get back to sleep; and in this case and most cases I seem to get SP really bad. I get so stuck I can't move. It's total 'old hag' and I hate it. I'm better off without these supplements apparently. Has this happened to anyone else with these supplements or am I just unlucky?

Originally Posted by phoenelai

Well I've decided to hang up GalantaMind & Choline. I went to bed and slept well with 5HTP. Woke up around 3 took 4 mg G and 500mg Choline. It took me a couple of hours to get back to sleep; and in this case and most cases I seem to get SP really bad. I get so stuck I can't move. It's total 'old hag' and I hate it. I'm better off without these supplements apparently. Has this happened to anyone else with these supplements or am I just unlucky?

I think that if you reach sleep paralysis, and such a strong one, than you are very close to success in the WILD. You must learn somehow to cross this barrier. I am not an expert on the subject of moving from SP to a lucid dream, but you can ask on the forum. Anyway, you can try imagining tactile sensations of moving while you are waiting for the WILD ( dropping down, rising up, sliding to different directions - slowly or quickly ) rotating backwards or forwards, or to the left or right. This can help you practice to "move out" of the body and start the dream, and make this step happen naturally.

Another thing you can do if you are stuck and can't move: I think it's bad to struggle against the SP, as this will just frustrate you and will not be effective. One thing you can try, is to simply stay where you are, observing you state, what you feel, hear, etc, how you think - appreciating this interesting altered state of consciousness, and learning about what it's like to be in it.
Relax in this state for as long as it takes. After a while, maybe a long time, there is a chance there you will naturally slide out of your body, and start a lucid dream or an Out-of-body type of experience.

Has anyone tried making extract out of the snowdrop plant?

Or perhaps tea from the dried flowers? I guess it does not make any difference to te outcome, but it would be nice to have it as a cup of tea before bed


just curious
-Lavwro

Originally Posted by Lavwro

Has anyone tried making extract out of the snowdrop plant?

Or perhaps tea from the dried flowers? I guess it does not make any difference to te outcome, but it would be nice to have it as a cup of tea before bed


just curious
-Lavwro

I tried to find information on extracting Galantamine, but all I could find on the net was non-free article about extracting it from Daffodils, which I did not buy. I think these flowers contains some toxic substances so be careful if you are experimenting.

Originally Posted by phoenelai

I went to bed and slept well with 5HTP. Woke up around 3 took 4 mg G and 500mg Choline. It took me a couple of hours to get back to sleep; and in this case and most cases I seem to get SP really bad. I get so stuck I can't move. It's total 'old hag' and I hate it. I'm better off without these supplements apparently. Has this happened to anyone else with these supplements or am I just unlucky?

I wish I could get that kind of sleep paralysis, but its been years since I've had any kind of sleep paralyis that I'm aware of.

When I used to get it years ago I learned to just relax and float out of my body.

So when you reach a state of sleep paralysis like this, just relax, and concentrate on floating.

You should be able to float out of your body and enjoy a wonderful out of body experience from this state.

Thanks everyone. The funny thing is that I'm really good at WILDS and using the HI's to crossover to Lucids. I guess for me though I don't get the SP that can come with it in some situations for some folks. I don't know why I panic when these happen with these supplement but it scares the beejezus out of me and I try to fight it. I also noticed when I was falling into it (read above) I heard loud static noise and and like WWII radio voices, it was really wierd. I know noises are assocatiated with SP so leave up to that. Thanks for all your help!