Thread: Galantamine + Choline

Originally Posted by iadr

I believe that happens to just about everyone dallyup52. I used to hardly be able to even remember any dreams the next night.

I believe I have finally solved that problem though. What I do is take another supplement like GABA with some ZMA capsules the next night, and then the following night I take the Amino Acid blend.

Although the GABA and Amino Acid blend is far less effective than the galantamine is, at least my dream recall stays fairly constant this way instead of drastically falling off like it used to after using the galantamine.

I remember my Lucid dreams quite well and write them down right away but I still feel a little in a fog. I take the piracetam 800mg in the morning and the helps but at times pushed the fog to the next day. Sometimes I am wasted for a couple of days. I took 20mg of Propranolo with the G the last time and had no brain fog. Maybe coincidence?

When I used Galantamind 5-6 years ago I did it almost everyday for several months until I developed a tolerance. And I don't remember being so tired. But I wasn't taking the extra Choline with it either. I hadn't read Thomas' book yet and didn't realize I was building up a tolerance. Now I don't take it more than once a week.

Do you take the GABA and ZMA to get a good nights rest?

Thanks for your response.

Originally Posted by dallyup52

I take the piracetam 800mg in the morning and the helps but at times pushed the fog to the next day. Sometimes I am wasted for a couple of days. I took 20mg of Propranolo with the G the last time and had no brain fog. Maybe coincidence?

Now I don't take it more than once a week.

Do you take the GABA and ZMA to get a good nights rest?

Thanks for your response.

You're welcome. I started taking 2400mg of piracetam twice a day every day to keep from building up a tolerance to galantamine and it seems to have really helped, because I have now been able to take galantamine twice a week with the transitions remaining very strong.

I take it when I get up in the morning with some orange juice and then also take it again around noon with some grape juice.

The GABA with the ZMA has actually helped me get lucid several times, and when I've taken it 2 or 3 hours after taking the galantamine it has resulted in some incredible long lucids of an hour or longer.

So in addition to taking it the day after taking galantamine, I also take it 2 or 3 hours after taking galantamine, knowing that if for some reason I fall asleep and don't get lucid fro the galantamine, I normally will from the GABA.

The only problem I've had with it is that if I take too much of it on the same nights I take the galantamine, I can feel nauseated the next day, especially if I have taken galantamine with a nicotine patch, although it has resulted in some incredible nights with multiple lucids.

Anyone try to take a G in the daytime via wild or taking a nap via dild? Any success?

Originally Posted by urdreamboy

Anyone try to take a G in the daytime via wild or taking a nap via dild? Any success?

This wouldnt be very smart.

You will not have a good night sleep, and you might just be insomniac all night. Some dreams might happen, you will in case you fall asleep, definitely wake up feeling tired and groggy.

ANd doing this isnt recommended, because you have to watch what you eat before AND after taking it.

Im talking from personal experience.

Originally Posted by moe007

This wouldnt be very smart.

ANd doing this isnt recommended, because you have to watch what you eat before AND after taking it.

Im talking from personal experience.

What do you mean here? What foods have been bothering you after taking G?

I've tried it after getting up for an hour then going back to bed after having slept 6 hours, nothing happened, and I've also tried it before bedtime, it didn't keep me awake the way it usually does when I try it at WBTB but I didn't remember any dreams either, or only vagely anyway. But there are some so called lucid dream pills which consist of Galantamine, B5, and choline, some include a small amount of melatonin which is suppossed to be taken at bedtime. While the LD book recommends taking them at WBTB this hasn't worked well for me, so you might want to experiement with different times, I plan on trying it before bed again.

Originally Posted by dallyup52

What do you mean here? What foods have been bothering you after taking G?

Not about bothering me, about how well the galantamine absorbs into your bloodstream, and as for the food after, you dont want to take any supplements or eat anything that will boost your acetylcholine more than it already is.

Hi all,

I am new here, and I am new in lucid dreaming. I had some lucid dreams in the past, in all of them in the dream I realized that I am dreaming. I month ago a read about the supplements whith you can enhance the lucid dreaming and I thought I will try it.
Yesterday I got the Lucid Dreamer pills which I ordered from dreamamins.com.
Last night after about 4.5 hour of sleep I wake-up, took a pill(contains 4mg Galantamine and 200mg Choline), read something for 30 minutes, and go back to bed and try to WILD. After an hour a give up and I tried to sleep normally, but only after an another hour I could sleep back.
I had about four dreams, not lucid and not so vivid. In one dream I dreamed that I took the pill in order to have lucid dreams(having a lucid dream when you are dreaming in your dream ).

I am going to try this night too, but after taking the pill I will go right back to bed, and I will take two pills.

Good luck tonight.
I used to take pills from Brilliant dreams and on about half the occassions I took
them I would either become Lucid or at the least have a night with more vivid
dreams then normal.

Originally Posted by DREAMER242000

Good luck tonight.
I used to take pills from Brilliant dreams and on about half the occassions I took
them I would either become Lucid or at the least have a night with more vivid
dreams then normal.

Out of curiousity, what made you stop taking them? Did you simply not need them anymore or was it just too expensive?

Originally Posted by Clairity

Out of curiousity, what made you stop taking them? Did you simply not need them anymore or was it just too expensive?

Hi Clairity

The reason I stopped using them is because I read this thread and learnt of the
product called Galantamind and decided to give that a go instead.
This I also find very effective I usually have it for two nights in a row then have
a two night break before repeating the process. checking my notes so far I have
taken the product either 4mg or 8mg on 24 occassions and out of them 24 times
I have had 15 nights with at least 1 lucid. so for me they are very effective.
Probably for some people they would have little or no effect but for me personally I am pleased with my results.

Just in case you intrested prior to taking any supplements I would normally have about 2 to 3 Lds a month.
Hope this info is of intrest to you.

Originally Posted by DREAMER242000

Hope this info is of intrest to you.

Very much so! Thanks for sharing!!

For what it's worth it's the inclusion of melatonin that makes the Brilliant Dreams brand less effective than Galantimind.

That's good to know! Thanks Enterer!

Your welcome. You can take Melotonin separately when you go to sleep and it will be out of your system enough to take the Galantamind and do a WBTB five hours later, but you don't want them active at the same time.

I'll throw in my 2 bits.

I have been keeping a DJ for a few weeks and have had many dreams that are very brief bursts of lucidity before I wake up. I decided to order Galantamind and give it a try. Two nights ago I took one in conjunction with WBTB, and had a very vivid lucid dream that lasted about 10-20 seconds, in which I performed several RC's. Might not seem like much, but its about 10 times longer than I had been having before. Plan to take it again tonight. One interesting side effect since taking it is that I have noticed SP type vibrations ever time I have slept, and seem to be able to gain control of vibrations by causing them to occur in my left hand and spread outward. Haven't been able to use them for WILD, but I am still trying.

After waking up from the LD did you go back to sleep again?

Originally Posted by The Enterer

After waking up from the LD did you go back to sleep again?

Yes, I went back to sleep and had a breif ND, about being at a Gym and fighting over a treadmill with and acquaintance of mine. Then it was time to get up. I think I need to increase the time I sleep from 6-7 hours to 8-9.

This has probably already been asked in this thread, but I didn't feel like wading through 14 pages, so: is there any store where I can buy Galantamine or Choline or both? I know there's tons of places to buy it online, but since it's not illegal (here in the US anyway), it seems like they should carry it at vitamin stores or something. I just called a Hi Health store and the lady said she'd never even heard of it.

I suppose I could just order it online, but I'm impatient.

Don't know if this helps:


http://www.walgreens.com/library/fin...dyne&id=644514


Don't know if it is OTC or not, but that is galantamine.

Choline is available at GNC, even in the small GNC sections at Rite Aid.

Originally Posted by kaeraz

This has probably already been asked in this thread, but I didn't feel like wading through 14 pages, so: is there any store where I can buy Galantamine or Choline or both? I know there's tons of places to buy it online, but since it's not illegal (here in the US anyway), it seems like they should carry it at vitamin stores or something. I just called a Hi Health store and the lady said she'd never even heard of it.

I suppose I could just order it online, but I'm impatient.

As far as I know, without a prescription you can only buy Galantamine online.
As stated in the previous post, Choline can easily be found in health shops.

Originally Posted by kaeraz

I suppose I could just order it online, but I'm impatient.

I ordered it online and it took about three days to get to me.

I had my last LD about 10 years ago, and have recently restarted my LD training on June 16 by doing frequent RC and building up my dream recall. Last night I did the following experiment with Galantamine for the first time:

Went to bed at 21:30
Woke at 03:00. 4mg Galantamine, 300mg Choline bitartrate, 300mg Alpha GPC

Went immediately back to bed. I was very excited about this experiment, and that mood combined with the supplements made me very wide awake. I tried my best to relax and to breathe. I had some very interesting HI and eventually a floaty feeling came over my body. I had two incidents of actually hearing clear sounds in my head (one was a voice saying 'haaaaa', and another was a weird brief screech). Later I had the sensation that parts of my body were moving off into other directions. All of this just served to get me more excited and think 'this is going to be good'. I continued to wait, and wait, and wait.

The result was three False Awakenings. I was convinced in each one that I was waiting for my LD, and then interrupted by something in the house. One was checking up on my daughter, one my wife, one was a bathroom break. All of these were actually very vivid dreams. After analyzing these dreams and recording in my DJ, they were of course peppered with excellent DS.

Although I did not get an LD, I think the experience was very interesting with alot to learn from. I took 2g of Piracetam in the morning and will try this experiment again on Sunday night.

If anyone has any tips for the next try, please share them with me.

Thank you.

I found that I had to up my game a little bit. The dreams were so vivid that I just explained away my dream signs, and the false awakenings were not something I was familiar with. Knowing what to expect helps. Sorry there's no real tip there, but stick with it and good luck.