Thread: diphenhydramine sleep aid

So are people just pulling drugs out of their ass these days hoping they will help with LDing?
I assume it would just make you tired and you would fall asleep.
Barely anybody has success with WILD before they have been asleep for a while. That is because when you first fall asleep you won't dream for a good hour most likely.
There's also no point taking something to make you tired when you get up in the middle of the night because you are already tired.

That being said....
Maybe if you went to sleep for a full night until you woke up and then took this to go to sleep you would dream a lot and possibly be able to WILD.
MILD, I don't think it would make any difference.

Diphen makes you real delirious if you fight the urge to sleep. If you give in, I find atleast for myself and anecdotally from friends that you pass the fuck out and wake up 10-12 hours later with very little dream recall.

Things that help your memory are going to help with MILD. That is, afterall, the theory of a MILD, as in a Mnemonically Induced Lucid Dream. Just an fyi.

I agree with tommo. LDing is something you work for, for a rewarding outcome. Trying to rush the process by inducing all sorts of different drugs will not always bring the best results.

If anything DPH will reduce your chances of lucid dreaming. It reduces your short term memory when you are on it, which will severely inhibit your ability to recall dreams - and when on DPH it actually reduces your REM sleep cycle which reduces your chances of dreaming in the first place.

Originally Posted by techyguy789

can this pill help with wilds or milds

DPH can actually be useful for Lucid Dreaming. However, it doesn't have a direct effect.


DPH will reduce your arousal and make dreams recall less likely. It may also reduce total REM sleep. It does this by suppressing Histimine which is a neurotransmitter that effects arousal.

The rebound effect can make it very useful.

Take it for 2 or 3 nights, then stop. On the night you stop take 100 mg Vitamin B6 and Pantothenic acid.

I don't have very vivid dreams and have only had a few Lucid dreams in 30 years. I have had at least one using DPH, though.

TruthHunter

Originally Posted by TruthHunter

I don't have very vivid dreams and have only had a few Lucid dreams in 30 years. I have had at least one using DPH, though.

Well, that's not very definitive.

Also the statement that histamine plays a role in arousal is so (can't think of the word, could mean anything basically; open to interpretation) if you're talking about sexual arousal that's sort of true but has nothing to do with LDing anyway. If any part of what you said to do plays a role in getting an LD it would be the Pantothenic acid and B vitamins.

Just quote from wiki.
Sleep regulation

Histamine is released as a neurotransmitter. The cell bodies of neurons which release histamine are found in the posterior hypothalamus, in various tuberomammillary nuclei. From here, these histaminergic neurons project throughout the brain, to the cortex through the medial forebrain bundle. Histaminergic action is known to modulate sleep. Classically, antihistamines (H1 histamine receptor antagonists) produce sleep. Likewise, destruction of histamine releasing neurons, or inhibition of histamine synthesis leads to an inability to maintain vigilance. Finally, H3 receptor antagonists (which stimulate histamine release) increase wakefulness.
It has been shown that histaminergic cells have the most wakefulness-related firing pattern of any neuronal type thus far recorded. They fire rapidly during waking, fire more slowly during periods of relaxation/tiredness and completely stop firing during REM and NREM (non-REM) sleep. Histaminergic cells can be recorded firing just before an animal shows signs of waking.

Sexual response

Research has shown that histamine is released as part of the human orgasm from mast cells in the genitals. If this response is lacking this may be a sign of histapenia (histamine deficiency). In such cases, a doctor may prescribe diet supplements with folic acid and niacin (which used in conjunction can increase blood histamine levels and histamine release), or L-histidine.