Drugs, and herbs?

[magical mike]

Are there any Safe, and non prescription Drugs or herbs available that in any way effect dreaming in a good way? like Raise rem or something? I am taking a pill that decreases rem also maybe list prescriptions

[Rodiath]

Melatonin supposedly increases the vividness of dreams. I read that it's supposedly non perscription most places, but I tried getting some today and they wouldn't let me :x

[magical mike]

Melatonin supposedly increases the vividness of dreams. I read that it's supposedly non perscription most places, but I tried getting some today and they wouldn't let me :x Yeah I seen this in one of those herbal bottles before, I just wasent sure if thats what it is or not.. also how old are you? maybe thats why thay dint let you.

[Robot_Butler]

There certainly are. Check out the Lucid Aids forum: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...splay.php?f=44 And more specifically, the stickied post Supplement / Herb / Drug Repository http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=56235 I'm not a big fan of supplements, but I do take galantamine/choline about once a month

[hungrymanz]

Whatever you do, don't try to synthesize your own supplements. Learn from my mistakes.

[PSPSoldier534]

I'd rather stick to natural induction. It improves chances without the need for aids. Taking B6 each night would cost you, while doing it naturally is fine. But maybe some apple juice won't hurt.

[magical mike]

OK good Idea pspsoldier .. and I dont think I would try to make my own supplements lol

[SKA]

I know a couple of safe, nonprescription herbs that are well known to enhance dreaming very much. I have first hand experience with some of them. However unless you live in Holland they are not likely to be legal. These include most notably (and specifically low doses of) Psilocybin Mushrooms, LSD, Peyote, Salvia and Ayahuasca.

[sxysnr]

Melatonin supposedly increases the vividness of dreams. I read that it's supposedly non perscription most places, but I tried getting some today and they wouldn't let me :x I did 6mg of melatonin and 1 b100 last night and had my most vivid dream ever, not lucid but I sure wouldn't change a thing, I havn't been lucid yet , been trying for 2 years

[SKA]

Had Melatonin on prescription a couple of years. Didn't make me sleep easier or dream more vivid at all. Tried B-complex supllements, mugwort, african dreamroot, african dreamherb (enthada rheedii beans), Calea Zacatechichi extract...but none had any Oneirogenic effect at all. then again not much information about effective preparations or ingestion methods is available online about these said-to-be oneirogenic herbs.

[sxysnr]

I did 6mg melatonin, 1-5-htp and 1- b100 last night and had my first lucid dream. I have been trying for 2 years and last night it happened. I lay in bed in the hypnogogic state for approx. 2 hours, then the picture got clear and started to move and I looked at my hand and it was strange, I looked again and it was really strange and I told myself I was dreaming, I was there for seconds I was so excited I lost it. Going to do the same thing tonite but going to stay calm. Now I know I can do it it will get easier.

[tommo]

There is a sticky for these things. Granted, you can't discuss in there and it's not exactly comprehensive but still. Anyway since it's here already. Melatonin is just sold as a supplement in some places. Others it's prescription for some retarded reason. Galantamine and Choline together seem to work for almost everyone. B12 and B6. Mugwort (a herb) has worked amazingly for me. Need to get some more. I used it when my recall was EXTREMELY bad like the worst it's ever been and I had really vivid dreams, no lucids though. Then there's Calea Zacatechichi, Silene Capensis and Bananas lol. Don't know if any of those work.

[magical mike]

Psilocybin Mushrooms, LSD, Peyote, Salvia and Ayahuasca. yes those are ilegal were I live! But I wana move to there! lol and salvie makes you LD? I have tried to before. I do remeber crazyly triping out. but I dint think that was a dream

[tommo]

I think in low doses. As in, chew a couple leaves as you go to sleep. Ian Soutar and Rick Strassman did a study with Salvia and meditation, not finished yet. But they say that 0.5 to 1 gram is good for meditation so I assume the same for LD. Hallucinogens are also good for MILD (I think that's the one) because they make your sub conscious more open to suggestion. http://www.maps.org/research/salvia/sdmeditation.html

[Mad Stratter]

Strassman, huh? I'll have to read that when I get some time... I liked his book on DMT. You can make Ayahuasca yourself... there are hundreds of plants that naturally produce DMT that you can find growing legally at your local nursery... some are much better than others of course, but I'm sure you can find one to suit any climate and area. Salvia, eeeeehh.... I've had nothing but bad experiences with... real intense, real fast, and then a shitty feeling that lasts until I sleep it off. Only smoked it though, never chewed. 2nd most intense drug next to DMT, by far. That was extract though. I just remembered back in High School when I smoked bongloads of leaf... it made me feel quite dreamy, so maybe... but the extract will not help you LD I don't think, not by a long shot. It may help you lose your mind tho...

[tommo]

It may help you lose your mind tho... Lol. Yeh the extract is only for tripping purposes. Maybe a joint of leaf could be the same as chewing but then it still only lasts for about 8 minutes. However reports have told that on mega doses of the extract you get into a dream like state. You can control the environment and everything. Think there was a thread on here a while ago about it too. On a side note I found a plant of Salvia Divinorum at a nursery near me (In AUS!) it's illegal here so I'm REAL hesitant to buy it. There were about 20 there last thursday or friday now there's only about 5 I think lol. Got paranoid today when I went there coz as soon as I walked in another lady walked in and I'm like fuck cop! Anyone live in Aus and wanna buy one?

[Mad Stratter]

Is it completely illegal in AUS, or just illegal for human consumption? One time I got an ounce of leaf and two of my friends and myself sat in the back of his van burning bongloads of it until the whole ounce was gone... hours later... but we were all in a floaty, dream-like state for hours without ever really getting high or tripping out... Then another time I took one bong hit of leaf and tripped out like it was 30X extract. I suppose it depends on the specific plant more so than I thought.

[tommo]

Well, apparently it is illegal to even have that plant, like same as Cannabis but I'm not sure about Vic because I can't find a scrap of information for Victoria online. However the main law, forgot who makes that, made it illegal to have the plant and the states barely ever go against that law. The only account I can think of is NSW and their trial with Medical Marijuana. Victoria tried to get Medical MJ once with support from doctors and the cops forced them not to. Fuckin wankers. So yeh it's not like America where states constantly go against federal law. Then another time I took one bong hit of leaf and tripped out like it was 30X extract. Hehe, gotta be careful with plants that way. Even varies from leaf to leaf if one gets more sunlight etc.

[Mad Stratter]

States may go against federal law here quite a bit, but it really means fuck-all when they do... All it means is that the state authorities won't arrest you but the FBI/DEA/ATF/etc. can still kick your door in and haul you off. More often that not, states aren't defying federal law so much as filling in the gaps that the federal government doesn't legislate, that's why laws vary from state to state; i.e. the federal gov't says grass is illegal. California says it's not, but the DEA still arrests people for it (and in California more so than anywhere else, precisely because it's "legal" there), while New York and several other states have decriminalized (~$100 fine for possession, considered a "violation" like a speeding ticket) and other states like New Jersey and Pennsylvania consider it outright criminal, and will charge you with a misdemeanor or felony for possession.

[tommo]

Yeh I know that's the stupid part. I was gonna mention that but forgot. Yeh it's pretty much pointless because the federal law 'enforcers' "don't recognise" state law. LOL! What a joke. I specifically remember the DEA head guy saying "we don't recognise California's Medical Marijuana law" gay gay gay. But yeh it still provides you with some sort of testimony to hold up in the courts. Plus you can be fairly certain that if you've just got your own little grow goin no one's gonna bust you. The difference in Aus is that none of the states even try to defy that law or make up their own laws to fill in the gaps. In some respects it is better because you know that anywhere you go in Aus the laws are gonna be the same. Others it's complete shit becuase you know that if you wanna change the law in one state you're pretty much gonna have to try and change the whole country. All the states do is make laws harsher then the federal law. Like in Melbourne where I live the so called 'graffiti capital of the world' *cough* bullshit *snort* they are trying to make it so you have to go to prison if you get caught doing graffiti. Fine of like $200000 or some bullshit. I feel like getting up in front of every person and cop in the city one day, spray painting a wall, smoking a spliff and saying "Ever heard of rapists and murderers?" Oh yeh EDIT: We're WAYYYY off topic here hehe

[Mad Stratter]

Viva le tangent!

[Wolfsbane]

I've never tried anything with the intention of having vivid dreams, but one time when I was really sick, I was coughing so bad that I had to take nyquil just to sleep. I hadn't been remembering my dreams since I got a new comfy mattress, but that stuff gave me really weird, vivid dreams. It was the store brand stuff (Safeway or something like that). My sis nicknamed that stuff "The Green Fairy." I wouldn't recommend taking nyquil just to affect your dreams, but it's probably safer than some of the stuff out there. I haven't heard anything good about salvia. It was on Dr. Phil once. I don't remember the whole episode, but I think some kid died on it. Another thing that's unintentionally worked for a friend of mine is colloidal silver. That stuff is actually good for you (in the directed dosage). The stuff I take is called MesoSilver (http://www.purestcolloids.com/). If you take too much you can supposedly get argyria, and they also say that it doesn't have any proven antimicrobial affects or health benefits. All I know is that after having to take my inhaler every day for an entire week, I was fine for three days after just one dose. Anyway... It's kinda pricey, so it may not be the best thing to try for your dreams.

[Mad Stratter]

I haven't heard anything good about salvia. It was on Dr. Phil once. I don't remember the whole episode, but I think some kid died on it. That episode was pure propaganda bullshit. I'm not a big fan of salvia, and I don't recommend it to just anyone because it can seriously fuck you up psychologically, but the shit they said was 100% lies lies lies.

[L815]

That episode was pure propaganda bullshit. I'm not a big fan of salvia, and I don't recommend it to just anyone because it can seriously fuck you up psychologically, but the shit they said was 100% lies lies lies. I don't agree with the psychological statement. Majority of experiences end with hardly any recollection of the trip itself. Anything you will remember doesn't imprint as it would with more lucid hallucinogens such as LSD, Mushrooms, and of course DMT. *Salvia is intense, but it is not "life threatening" or make you feel a certain way other than "HOLY SHIT :O". At first, the tripper may feel awkward, which quickly subsides, and at times may get "stiff legs" but as with any other drug, respect it while keeping caution with everything you do; you will end up well. - Salvia will make you feel as if you stroll from the top of a roller coaster all the way to the center of the Universe. You will not know what to expect, and imagination is reality.

[tommo]

LMAO! I wouldn't recommend taking nyquil just to affect your dreams, but it's probably safer than some of the stuff out there. Ah yes, very safe. Also DXM is a hell of a hallucinogen. Just ask Aquanina! I haven't heard anything good about salvia. It was on Dr. Phil once. I don't remember the whole episode, but I think some kid died on it. LOL!!!! No wonder you haven't heard anything good about it, you watched one dr phil episode and made up your mind. He is an outright wanker and should be banned of TV. Another thing that's unintentionally worked for a friend of mine is colloidal silver. Ok ok just stop right there, you're killing me. Anyone hear of that guy that took this shit and it turned him blue? He then decided to keep taking it because he thought it looked cool. lol. That's all this shit does. Turn you blue. Silver is not an essential mineral in humans; there is no dietary requirement for silver, and no such thing as a silver "deficiency".[2] Currently, there are no evidence-based medical uses for colloidal silver.[1] There are no clinical studies in humans demonstrating effectivness, and several reports of toxicity.[9] The U.S. National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine has issued an advisory indicating that the marketing claims made about colloidal silver are scientifically unsupported, and that the silver content of marketed supplements varies widely and can pose risks to the consumer.[2] And OMG silver has killed ONE person as well! A death has been reported in the medical literature as a result of colloidal silver use; in that case, a 71-year-old man developed status epilepticus which the authors felt was due to silver toxicity.[11][12] So if you want to take it, keep in mind you may end up looking like this.... or this.... No offense to you Wolfsbane you seem like a reasonable person but your alternative medicine is not wanted here.