Thread: lucid dreaming book

ok, for the next few days kromoh is going to lead you guys on this project, when I come back I hope to see much work done, cant wait to see what you guys do.

I have started to design a cover, and I have made a very quick draft, based on the first ideas to come into my head. Please make suggestions for the name, design and pictures etc.



I am especially thinking of putting some sort of eye onto it in the big space.

Also could someone write a blurb?

Thanks.

Damn - how come I only just found this post? I would love to get involved, so if there is anything I can do to help, let me know

Originally Posted by Adam

Damn - how come I only just found this post? I would love to get involved, so if there is anything I can do to help, let me know

I don't think there's anything particular by this time, since three chapters hav already been taken. You could try to improve the first chapter though. See it on the "Project Sketch" thread.


By the way people, How is rapidshare for the download? It is the first thing I could think of. If you have other suggestions, tell me. I'm particularly looking for one with supports for passwords. But if necessary we can protect them in zip folders.

I use www.megaupload.com

Well adam, megaupload sometimes won't let you download at all (unless you download their search bar or something).

If anyone cannot access rapidshare, let me know.

Kind-hearted Seeker gave my moderating privileges in this forum. This is mostly to keep things organised.

If anything is needed, PM me.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Kind-hearted Seeker gave my moderating privileges in this forum. This is mostly to keep things organised.

If anything is needed, PM me.

does that mean you can edit any thing in this forum? if so could you add the 1-10 thing on the polls, and and why did seeker pick you to be able to do that?

well Im back, I will now take over again, even though not much happend.

kromoh will now also hand over his privaleges

Originally Posted by Sugarglider11

does that mean you can edit any thing in this forum? if so could you add the 1-10 thing on the polls, and and why did seeker pick you to be able to do that?

I was the one who messaged Seeker about it. We should talk to Seeker about handing you the privileges, you're our leader and all I'm gonna PM Seeker and will bring a response as soon as I have it.

Whilstwhile, yes I can edit anything. I suppose (BOW BEFORE ME! kidding ).

What 1-10 thing do you want to add exactly?

Just t oreport the situation, I've advanced into the writing of my chapter. Not done yet though. I believe it's getting good

the dificulty rating 1-10 in the ld polls

My update:
Not a damn thing.
I have all my data, I just need to arrange it into a coherent, flowing chapter.
Wish me luck!

ok

*wish*

/me blunders into existing project with 200+ posts and thinks he can tell people what to do :-).

I see you're using .doc files and general purpose upload site(s).
Have you consider using Google Docs? Since it's specifically designed for sharing (word processor) documents, it should have features that would help. I'm pretty sure you can use it just like rapidshare - upload Word file, download Word file - but at a minimum, it would let people view them online without opening Word. It's supposed to be good for collaborative editting too.

could anyone thats working on a chapter make a thread for there chapter and post updates of the chapter, and kromoh when they are done with the chapters you should create proof read threads.

I also think we are going to use wets cover, its very good and unless anyone else can make one thats the one.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Chapter 1: Introduction
Status: completed, to be revised
(version 1)
Starts with a lucid experience, and then mentions the basic concepts for lucid dreaming, such as dream recall, induction techniques, all with an enthusiastic approach.

Since no maintainer is listed, I'm posting my revision here, where [proposed] changes are to be posted. I've limited myself to correcting grammar / word selection where I think theres a clear need for improvement. I'd like to do more, but this seemed a good way to start. I'm happy to copy-edit other chapters/revisions in the same way.

I release these changes into the public domain (waiving copyright). That seems easier than trying to assign copyright to someone else when I don't even have any realnames :-). As a derived work the whole is of course only useable with the permission of the original author - whoever that is :-).

My revision of the introduction on Google Docs

To download as a Word file, click the "File" drop-down (on the Google Docs page, not the browser menu), and "Export as Word".

I like the idea of a thread for each chapter. It allows proof reading and specific discussion, all made easy by the foru msoftware.

I'm still gonna consider sourcejedi's suggestion though.

Right now, I lack time, but when I'm back I'll post what we have of the intro chapter. I'm afraid I won't have time to work on my chapter today

Originally Posted by Kromoh

I like the idea of a thread for each chapter. It allows proof reading and specific discussion, all made easy by the forum software.

I like it as well.

I'm still gonna consider sourcejedi's suggestion though.

Since I've now used Google Docs, I shall now describe what it does as opposed to what I thought it might do :-).

1. It supports IE and firefox. Other browsers *should* be able to download documents from it, although this may involve following instruction to edit the URL in the location bar. It may interact badly with caching proxies.
2. It allows you to view and edit in the browser, and, when you're ready, to publish a specific version of the document for anyone else to download (see above).
3. You can let other people edit the document. Before they can edit they have to sign up for a google account, but that only requires an email address and shouldn't be harder than getting a DV account. The original author can send invites to specific editors by email, or just contrive to send an invitation to their own email address and then paste the link into DV for anyone to use.
4. Its "revision control" is relatively limited. You can revert to earlier versions, control which version is publically visible, and compare which *paragraphs* have changed between specific versions. But if you just correct a spelling mistake, it's not going to be obvious which word in the paragraph changed. It doesn't look like it would keep track of who changed what, and it wouldn't really support comments or review in general.

====Pros and Cons====

The main advantage of Google Docs over the DV forum is that multiple people can edit a single document. In DV, you're going to end up with a post at the top by a single author, and they wouldn't be able to let other people change it. To describe substantial changes, a second author is going to have to post a second copy in the same thread, and that has several disadvantages (potential confusion, less clear which is the current agreed version, difficult to see what's changed and what doesn't).

The advantage of DV is that people can very easily use QUOTE to nitpick spelling, grammar, word choices, and suggest and debate an alternative.

TBH I think you can't avoid the dilemma, at least with current software. It's difficult to make it easy to both debate changes and to make changes.

====Conclusion====
I think Google Doc could be better to start with, while you're generating a lot of new words, and the authors responsible for a page could change. Once a chapter's been around for a while, it would be better on DV where it's easier to discuss directly, and there's an author who has stuck with the chapter so far and is probably going to hang around to read what people say about it & edit the post containing the chapter accordingly.

If we did use both, I wouldn't be surprised if chapters cycled between major revisions being drafted on Google, and reviews in DV threads. I don't see why that would necessarily cause any problems.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Right now, I lack time, but when I'm back I'll post what we have of the intro chapter. I'm afraid I won't have time to work on my chapter today

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Thanks for everything!

Well, just for the matter of it, we could tell people to put changes into a different colour. You will see that's what I did with Gestalt's first revision, some pages back in this thread. Spelling and grammar mistakes could or not be put in the new colour as well.

About the Google docs: we could easily create a Google account for the whole team. But something just tells me people will prefer to post on this forum. We'll have to hear people's opinion then.

I vote for forum, you know, dream views book should be worked on in dream views, maybe I will look at it a little.

I havent read threw all the post so sorry if i repeat something, I had some ideas pop into my head, maybe it could include something about the website and the goal of the website and how this idea got started and for what purpose. I think that might be called a foreward or preface. This can do a couple things; help establish credibility by letting the readers know we are not in it for money or anything other than to inform and expand the minds of the readers. Also it could get more people interested in the website, which would help us come to a better understanding of dreaming and concoiusness because more information and experiences will be compiled and commented on here.

For me lucid dreaming is more than just having fun while you are asleep, it can provide insight into the workings of the mind. Also in the book "The Lucid Dreamer" they say it is the most natural path to enlightenment, which can be a interesting subject. I think mentioning this in the intro would help draw a bigger audience, because often when I tell someone about what lucid dreaming is they dont have that big of an intrest in just controlling their dreams. Maybe it could mention something about being able to meet your subconcious in a dream; training the mind; creating new neural connections.

Just some ideas to think about

I havent read threw all the post so sorry if i repeat something, I had some ideas pop into my head, maybe it could include something about the website and the goal of the website and how this idea got started and for what purpose. I think that might be called a foreward or preface. This can do a couple things; help establish credibility by letting the readers know we are not in it for money or anything other than to inform and expand the minds of the readers. Also it could get more people interested in the website, which would help us come to a better understanding of dreaming and concoiusness because more information and experiences will be compiled and commented on here.

For me lucid dreaming is more than just having fun while you are asleep, it can provide insight into the workings of the mind. Also in the book "The Lucid Dreamer" they say it is the most natural path to enlightenment, which can be a interesting subject. I think mentioning this in the intro would help draw a bigger audience, because often when I tell someone about what lucid dreaming is they dont have that big of an intrest in just controlling their dreams. Maybe it could mention something about being able to meet your subconcious in a dream; training the mind; creating new neural connections.

Just some ideas to think about

I like your ideas, they will greatly help with the making of the book. Thanks for taking time to write down the suggestions

Up to now, only a few chapters have been defined. We can always add information about he aims of lucid dreaming in a new chapter. How's the idea everyone?