Thread: lucid dreaming book

Originally Posted by mark

hey!

Great Idea you have here I really like what you lot are doing

Just a random thing...when I talk to people about lucid dreaming I often find that I have to explain how dreams themselves work...you know schemas and the likes of that pshycological stuff. I t helps when explaining to people about this to make them understand how the dream works before talking about anything else. Would it not be useful to include some of that stuff in the bokk.


I personally am not trying to involve myself in this just thought I would offer a suggestion please feel free to ignore lol...cant wait to see what else you come up with

Thanks a lot for the suggestions. As a response, I'd like to say I had that planned since the beggining. I intend it to be in the chapter "Aspects of dreaming", which will explain the basis of dreams, poviding knowledge to differ regular dreams from lucid ones.

Feedback and suggestions are always welcome!


Wolf hugs

gest have you added anything? and do you think dreamviews education a good name

I believe Gest is lackign tiem in real life. But that is just an assumption

Here in 2 days I'll be done with all my chores on the Cultural Fare I'm helping to organise.. Then I'll be able to write something worthy.

Originally Posted by sugarglider11

gest have you added anything? and do you think dreamviews education a good name

Dreamviews education imo is a horrible title...it's not standout. If I knew nothing about dreamviews and was an average joe..."Dreamviews Education" wouldn't standout to me because I wouldn't see why I would need to be "educated about dreamviews." Remember, you're selling. You're selling your title, you're selling the back of the book, you're selling the table of contents, the literature, and ultimately...yourself...so don't sell yourself short, pun unintended. Since dreamviews isn't widespread noone knows what a dreamviews is let alone why they should be educated about it. The title should have something that will grab the reader or make the reader ask themselves "What's this about?" Let me give you an example to add further credibility as to what I'm saying. Before Henry Ford introduced the "automobile" to the public...the world was still pretty much a horse drawn carriage society. Henry knew that he had an awesome product/machine but he needed an awesome way to relate it to the people. Since noone knew what an "automobile" was yet...he first called his automobiles..."horseless carriages". That was sheer brilliance. Why?

People knew about horsedrawn carriages and if they heard/saw someone pushing a horseless carriage then it would automatically pique their interests. In summary (he found a way to relate something to people which they were already familiar with)

Personally speaking...I think the title should be everyones last concern, but to give you an example of a good title to use would be something along the lines of...

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A) How to stay awake in your dreams, a book by dreamviews.
(This title is aimed at causing the person reading the title to ask themselves "How is that possible? That's an oxymoron..." Chances are the next step is that the reader will pickup the book, read the back and/or table of contents. BAM, you just piqued interest through your title alone.)

B) Dreamviews: A comprehensive guide on how to have fun with your mind.
(This title again is interesting, but ambiguous and vague enough to pique a passer-by's interest enough to pickup the book and read the back and/or table of contents)

C) How to live your dreams without ever leaving your bed, a book by dreamviews.
(It's pretty safe to safe that humans have dreams/goals/hopes/aspirations that they would like to achieve, wouldn't you like to live/act out your dreams as if it were really happening without having to wait another day for it? If you're a member of the microwave society, then the answer is yes. 'btw, if that went over your head...don't worry about it, you're a member.' So this automatically grabs people and gets them asking themselves "how is that possible? Live my dreams without leaving my bed? Let me find out what this is about..." In instances like this...curiosity would only help the curious cat...and our pocketbooks. I hope you see my point.)

"a book by dreamviews" is also weird

I like the "Dreamviews: a comp......." because Dreamviews can be both the name of the authors and the name of the book itself.

I guess I'd suggest "Dreamviews: staying awake in your dreams". But as jeff said, title is of least matter

thanks jeff, I just put a title so other people would start make better ones,

I like the 3rd one

Alright, I just have to insist. WE know what "Dreamviews" is, but a reader doesn't. The first and third examples on Jeff's post are just akin to: "A precise guide to enhancing memory, a book by deadturtles." Who on earth is deadturtles? Strange, isn't it?

On the second example by Jeff, however, the ambiguity is used in our favour: Dreamviews can be seen both as the name of the authors and the name of the book itself. Not to mention, I believe naming the whole book Dreamviews is a great idea.

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Just to mention, Seeker ressurected from the dead and came back to the forum. He gave us permission to use his tutorials, on the premise they are based on common knowledge. Man am I sleepy!

These adapt&use permissions have been given by the rightful authors of each work. The agreement is that credit be duefully given to them.

• Seeker - Quick Start Tutorial
  permission given to adapt and use
• Clairity - Clairity's Wild Technique
  permission given to adapt and use - conditions: discuss a compensation for the idea, prior to a possible publishment
• wasup - Increasing Dream Realism
  permission given to adapt and use - conditions: receive a copy of the adapted material; be cited for a name other than wasup
• irishcream - Sleep Paralysis Tutorial
• arby - How to VILD effectively
  permission given to adapt and use
• Klace - Dream Exit Induced Lucid Dream
  permission given to adapt and use
• Hargarts - Finger Induced Lucid Dream
• GestaltAlteration - Wake-Initiated Lucid Dream
  permission given to use and alter
• GestaltAlteration - Mnemonic Induction of Lucid Dreams
  permission given to use and alter

cool all the tuturials are cleared, now we may need some more though

lol, the examples I gave guys...regarding the titles were just examples...not to be taken seriously as a title, but hey whatever floats your boat.

OK Jeff, I didn't know those were examples, how about dreamviews: live out your fantasies from the safety of your bed

Seeker just replied to me and he set us up with our own forum in the Education forum. So now we need to decide what polls and questions we want to set up. So let's start brainstorming!

this is awsome, its going to be so much easier now.

I feel speacial now

edit: did I mention this is better than a sticky, and shouldn't this be moved into that forum?

Originally Posted by sugarglider11

edit: did I mention this is better than a sticky, and shouldn't this be moved into that forum?

Done.

Also, this is the first time I've heard about this project (either that or I've just forgotten ), but if you need any help, let me know. I'd also be happy to help edit drafts or just be available for my opinion on how something is written.

Wow...you guys have been busy in my 24 hour absence.

Just saying, if you need any parts doing or gaps filling i would be happy to help out. I could do a nice section on building motivation and inspirational ideas for dreams and lucid dream plans so that people are not bored, just let me know if i am needed

just had to say something, this thread has just become lucky!

As far as the polls go, I think we need a separate poll asking these questions for EVERY method:

"Difficulty" 1-10 rating
"Average Success rate" % in 10% intervals (ex: 0-10%, 10-20%)
"Average times attempted in a time period (probably a month)" never, 1-2, 3-5, 6-9, 10-15, 16-25, 25+

Possibly a question on the quality of lucid dream the method produces, but I honestly don't know whether the correlation between method and quality is very strong.

Give me some feedback and I'll start putting some polls up.

Originally Posted by sugarglider11

just had to say something, this thread has just become lucky!

That is a sign signifying everyon'es good fortune by me being on this project as well. I am a walking four leaf clover, and the embodiment of a rabbits foot...and extremely modest, can't you tell?

Talk about brainstorming, talk about me.

Let's abuse this forum in our favour

1. I believe we would need a thread with the plans we have for the book. A thread to keep a relation of the chapters and content for the project. That way, we can consult these data easily. News should also be posted there, as well as tutorial use permissions.
   
2. Secondly, I don't see a reason to create numerous polls. We can analyse the feedback on the techniques themselves at Induction Techniques. But that is just me.
   
3. Then a one other thread to keep the versions of the book. Whenever something importantly new is added (e.g. a chapter be concluded), it be posted there.
   
4. Finally, this thread should be kept, for general talk about the book.

The only problem with my suggestion is that it would require a moderator to edit some posts in this forum once in a while.

Hope you like the ideas.

I like the ideas except I think we should have multiple polls for the simple reason that I think it would be beneficial to have hard data of the dreamviews people. That's just me though; if the others agree with you then I will politely secede

Wow, you guys have there a very good project, this is really interesting.

I offer my help as a graphic designer. It will be nice for that book to give him a professionnal design. Maybe I can also make a couple of original illustrations, if it make sense.
But also I believe that just doing something with a professionnal-looking typography will add a lot to the credibility of the book. Then, if you need a graphic designer, or at least an illustrator, tell me. It will be a joy to contribute to the making of the book.

philquiet, I don't see a reason not to have a graphic designer. A Good cover is the first step to a succesful book. Not only that, but certain aspects of the book might require schemes and illustrations for the best of understanding, and simply getting those from the Internet is not a good idea.

If there's anything that needs an illustration, I'll let you know . For example, the stages of sleep might require something visual. I discourage, however, the use of colour inside the book itself: it should be black and white, for the sake of price and standard.

I could make a cover, but I dont have any ideas of what to make, could you guys give me some ideas?

I wish I had ideas for the cover lol. The only truth, as of now, is that it be blue (the concesual colour of lucidity hehee).

But then, all ideas are welcome.