Thread: Crazy Lucid dream/Astral projection

Hmmm, maybe this should go to the beyond dreaming forum, you'd get more anwsers there I think.
As for astral projection I never done one, and only had one LD (a not too vivid one), but I wandered how can you know if this is an astral projection, and not a dream. I mean if AP is like a dream, where EVERYTHING is possible, then how could you know? Especially because in a dream you are very gulliable.
So to sum it up, I'm also intrested in an anwser to the things you asked

So you pull your finger and you astral project? Well first off you don't astral project from a dream. And second, logically, if you would, you would just be dreaming that you astral project. And anyway, astral projection is just a certain form of lucid dream, it has been tested countless times and it's followers look ridiculous already. NEW works because it works the same way many lucid dreaming training methods work. It's essentially the same except they add a lot of hocus pocus, increasing the placebo effect and thereby the success rate.
And what you experienced is nothing mysterious in particular. I experience similar states. It's lucid half-sleep states, no need to add mystical stuff to it IMO. Adding mystical stuff is what some bush men might consider plausible.

Originally posted by Korittke
So you pull your finger and you astral project? Well first off you don't astral project from a dream. And second, logically, if you would, you would just be dreaming that you astral project. And anyway, astral projection is just a certain form of lucid dream, it has been tested countless times and it's followers look ridiculous already. NEW works because it works the same way many lucid dreaming training methods work. It's essentially the same except they add a lot of hocus pocus, increasing the placebo effect and thereby the success rate.
And what you experienced is nothing mysterious in particular. I experience similar states. It's lucid half-sleep states, no need to add mystical stuff to it IMO. Adding mystical stuff is what some bush men might consider plausible.

+1

Astral projection = hocus pocus. I started reading about that stuff and was quite amused at what people "thought" they were doing.

My take on Astral Projection is that it is basically like a lucid dreaming cult of followers. People that don't understand what's going on with their bodies and try to come up with some "new" reasoning behind it.

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Now to answer some questions about "where" you went.

You went somewhere in your subconcious. Your brain made up that place and you got to experience it. You didn't actually go anywhere as if in a geographical sense.

umm if im right, i think Astral Projection is when you go out of ur physical body and travel in REAL LIFE.... dancer i think u only had an ordinary LD nice story btw =)

i vote for the hocus pocus thing too

i mean, without serius proof it's very unlikely to think about a soul going around...
i don't say it's ridicolous or impossible or so, it's simply very unlikely to be true!

(and for serius proof i mean something a little more scientific than shared dreams... which may be explained in a lot of ways)

I'll catch some sh** for this, but there is no proof behind Astral Projection other than corrupt human imagination.

I think that APs are just lucid dreams where the dreamer believes that he is still in reality and is walking around as a ghostly apparition.

The people who claim APs NOT to be true have nothing to prove because they haven't claimed anything!

Originally posted by Manifold_Time

The people who claim APs NOT to be true have nothing to prove because they haven't claimed anything!

"...kind of like the people that claimed the world wasn't round, and that you can't teach an animal something like simple grammar."

As sarcastic as that statement was, I can't say that I completely disagree with the rest of what you said.

Originally posted by doyle
umm if im right, i think Astral Projection is when you go out of ur physical body and travel in REAL LIFE.... dancer i think u only had an ordinary LD nice story btw =)

I do not know of this being in any case physical.
An astral plane for which your conscious can travel.
The who, what when, where all all speculative.
Many think that remote viewing is a parallel to astral projection. Others believe that OBEs are a parallel to LDs.
And of coarse there are many beliefs different than those. That has seemed to be the general consensus.

One of the clearest and weirdest dreams I had was when I was flying behind a jeep that was driving on some plain after it had just rained, near some mountains. I then stopped and looked up the mountains, and all of a sudden, 1000's of pieces of cooked chicken came flying over the cliffs.

Originally posted by Rainbow Werewolf
One of the clearest and weirdest dreams I had was when I was flying behind a jeep that was driving on some plain after it had just rained, near some mountains. I then stopped and looked up the mountains, and all of a sudden, 1000's of pieces of cooked chicken came flying over the cliffs.

Is this spam for Kentucky fried Chicken?
That is taher differant.

Originally posted by Korittke
So you pull your finger and you astral project? Well first off you don't astral project from a dream.

sure you can. so far I have only had OOBE's via dreams.

And second, logically, if you would, you would just be dreaming that you astral project. And anyway, astral projection is just a certain form of lucid dream, it has been tested countless times and it's followers look ridiculous already.[/b]

most of my OOBE's have not felt subjectively real to me. my first planned OOBE, however, felt very real, as real as realer than ordinary waking consciousness. I feel prepared to classify that experience and my first, spontaneous OOBE which I at first explaind away as a nightmare, as "real", though I don't feel much fussed either way. in one of these dream-like OOBE's, I actually discovered information that I later verified as true. coincidence, maybe, or clairovoyance?

my other OOBE's I would subjectively classify as nothing more than LD's.

I have no strong dogmas or belief either way. just saying how these experiences came off to me.