Originally Posted by Leo
Seeker!? How can you be such a Materialist?
With a name like Seeker do you find it impossible that there can be any EXTERNAL Spiritual Reality. Or is your solipsistic universe absolute in its isolation, and John Dunne is exactly wrong, that every man is indeed an island?
Certain Dream Characters may indeed have an external and objective Reality -- parts of the Collective Consciousness.
But I guess you never had a really important or vivid dream, or you would know this.
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Oh Leo,
Always true to form I see. Pose a question, make a statement, then end with an insult. So predictable, so ‘Leo Volont’. I have neither the time nor interest to get into a deep philosophical discussion on whether dreams are influenced by the collective conciousness or if external spiritual entities exist within dreams. These are unproven concepts and most likely unproveable. True, they do give people things to talk about and ponder during the morning and evening commute or while sitting at the bar with their buddies.
You ask if consider it impossible that is might be due to spiritual influences? Yes, it could, but I tend to worry about the more pragmatic issues, such as surviving to live another day, hopefully a little more sane and perhaps richer, wiser, and more compassionate. It was in this vein that I made that posting, a warning about mostly. Not really considering te esoteric aspects, but taking a more practical and yes, cynical view. I believe Occam put it best:
one should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything
While I do believe in God and the spiritual realm, I am hesitant to constantly pull that out of my hip pocket to use as a weapon or explaination for every subject.
Let’s examine this perfect 'dream woman' concept and see where it can lead.
#1. The dream woman is just a construct of the dreamers concious mind.
Subpart A: The dreamer can never seem to recreate this perfect woman and is saddened or worse yet, recreating this woman becomes an obsession to him and he becomes unbalanced.
Subpart B: The dreamer finds that he can create this perfect woman every time and withdraws socially from this world. All his attention is focussed on this woman, he becomes useless to both himself and those around him.
Subpart C: The dreamer strikes a balance between his perfect woman and the waking world, however, every woman he meets in the waking realm cannot ever live up to the perfection of his fantasy woman. Not an enviable position for his waking lover to find herself in.
#2. The dream woman is a manafestation of the collective conciousness.
Subpart D: The dreamer learns all he can from her, but when the learning has been accomplished, she vanishes from his dreams leaving him wanting more and doing all he can to re-experience her. This can become an obsession to him, also causing consternation in his waking life.
#3. The dream woman is an external entity, from some other realm who cares deeply for him.
Subpart E: A true bond of love forms between the two, but for some reason, the connection is broken and they can no longer connect. He is left heartbroken and unable to really enter into a relationship with anyone else because that would mean he is untrue to his spiritual lover.
#4. The perfect woman is a manefestation of mental illness
Subpart F: Being a manifestation of said illness, the man sinks deeper and deeper into his psychosis, living in his fantasy world with his perfect lover while his body remains in the physical world in an almost catatonic state.
With all of that said. Why would anyone want to take the chance? Can you not see why I am concerned about this and started a warning? Love is perhaps one of the most powerful forces in the human realm. Love of an ideal or perfection is especially dangerous.
Oh, BTW, I have had many vivid spiritual dreams, some of which I have never shared with anyone because they are so special to me, almost holy, so yes, I do believe I know what you are talking about. I do not care to place my private views on the spiritual on the table for all to ridicule.
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