Thread: Is It Right To Kill Dc

reality and real arn't exactly the same

dreaming is another reality, were you can touch ,taste, see,hear, feal and "sence" things, often more vividly then waking life. Can do deffine real without those words?

Originally Posted by Keeper

reality and real arn't exactly the same

dreaming is another reality, were you can touch ,taste, see,hear, feal and "sense" things, often more vividly then waking life. Can do deffine real without those words?
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I'm totally with you on this. It seems to me many people wouldn't consider possibilities beyond their understandings. Many people base reality only on our physical world and cannot grasp the idea of existence without physical bodies.

I have a question for those who dismiss dream world as a reality and think that killing DCs is not killing anything at all. In our dream world, we create our dream characters, we create their looks, their expressions, their responses and so on. Who can say for certain that we haven't also created their feelings and consciousness, albeit only for a short while? In our dreamworld, our consciousness is split into multiple personalities and these are manifested as different dream characters. These characters come from ourselves, but then, they are also individuals.

It's the same idea of a mother conceiving a child. Before the child is born, it's a part of the woman's body. After the child is born, it carries its own consciousness. The child's personalities and consciousness come from the parents, but still the child is an individual who has their own feelings.

Originally Posted by Marcus

It seems to me many people wouldn't consider possibilities beyond their understandings. Many people base reality only on our physical world and cannot grasp the idea of existence without physical bodies.
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Well sometimes it is not needed. To 'consider possibilities' is a suggestion with infinite consequences. And existing without physical bodies is exactly what the dream world is (and the astral plane too).

Originally Posted by Marcus

I have a question for those who dismiss dream world as a reality and think that killing DCs is not killing anything at all. In our dream world, we create our dream characters, we create their looks, their expressions, their responses and so on. Who can say for certain that we haven't also created their feelings and consciousness, albeit only for a short while? In our dreamworld, our consciousness is split into multiple personalities and these are manifested as different dream characters. These characters come from ourselves, but then, they are also individuals.
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That's an interesting point. But how will we ever know the truth? In my opinion, the dream world has no logic, it's just from what your mind has experienced. Meaning that a dream character in one dream could have as much meaning and significance as a brick wall in another. So what could tell life from death in the dreamworld?

We shouldn't dwell on such a thing.

Originally Posted by Marcus

It's the same idea of a mother conceiving a child. Before the child is born, it's a part of the woman's body. After the child is born, it carries its own consciousness. The child's personalities and consciousness come from the parents, but still the child is an individual who has their own feelings.
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That's physical talk isn't it?

but the only one im gonna kill is my old teacher or the so called tough guys on my school.
but i cant kill friend or see them suffer its to painfull and maybe im gonna cry because its so realistic but if i see that a dc kill one of my friends i am gonna change in the berzerker rage status and kick his ass

but thanks to this topic i realized killing in a dream isnt fun its more fun to explore or make fun and helping people that have a hard time.

Just because all your senses are involved doesn't make it an existing reality somewhere, but can give you the feeling of a existing reality that is actually out there. Different realitys have different base laws that they all follow, dreams have no true laws or foundation that they really follow at all, they in a way can go in any direction. We individualize are consciousness through the filter of our nervous system, so what can be happening when dreaming does not have to be a real conscious reality that really existes somewhere other than our own personal reality. When dreaming it's just an outcome of molecular chemical processes in the brain and definitely not a existing conscious state with any true substance that actually exists other than in our mind. I don't have a bias towards this being the only reality (RL), just because it is what I experience all the time, I know there is way more to it than that, and this reality we live in. But dreaming is something we experience personally with our subconscious minds and I don't believe that, this personal reality extends beyond.
EDIT - I should add- say it was possible, I think we don't have the ability yet or maybe never to have it extend beyond.

so, what is real?

so, what is real?[/b]

Were going round in cycles.

because no-one is answering. Tell me what real is

Originally Posted by Keeper

because no-one is answering. Tell me what real is
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If you really want to know, just google it. Here are some of the definitions I found:


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Answers.com &#064; Jan 15 2007, 4&#58;29 PM)</div>

&#39;Real&#39; adj.

1.
a. Being or occurring in fact or actuality; having verifiable existence: real objects; a real illness.
b. True and actual; not imaginary, alleged, or ideal: real people, not ghosts; a film based on real life.
c. Of or founded on practical matters and concerns: a recent graduate experiencing the real world for the first time.

2. Genuine and authentic; not artificial or spurious: real mink; real humility.
3.
Being no less than what is stated; worthy of the name: a real friend.

4. Free of pretense, falsehood, or affectation: tourists hoping for a real experience on the guided tour.
5. Not to be taken lightly; serious: in real trouble.

6. Philosophy. Existing objectively in the world regardless of subjectivity or conventions of thought or language.

7. Relating to, being, or having value reckoned by actual purchasing power: real income; real growth.

8. Physics. Of, relating to, or being an image formed by light rays that converge in space.

9. Mathematics. Of, relating to, or being a real number.

10. Law. Of or relating to stationary or fixed property, such as buildings or land.

from http://www.answers.com/topic/real
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I sill don&#39;t see why we have to prove dream characters are real...they&#39;re not, to anyone else but ourselves. And if that, only in a dream. Which means we should hold full responsibility of them.

That&#39;s the thing, Keeper- the term "real" is subjective. Nobody is going to be able to define it in a way that satisfies you because it is a different feeling to everybody.

That&#39;s the thing, Keeper- the term "real" is subjective. Nobody is going to be able to define it in a way that satisfies you because it is a different feeling to everybody[/b]

Postmodernism

now, what is actuality, True, Genuine and authentic, etc.

I can see many people think that what&#39;s in the mind stays in the mind. I&#39;d like to share a little story of mine which shows that our thoughts might not just "stay in".

I was sitting in a vet clinic with my cat because of his eye problem. There came another man with his golden retriever. They sat down and the dog was so quiet and gentle. I looked at the dog, suddenly it reminded me of a few very brutal pictures I saw on the web of a golden retriever being slaughtered and eaten by his own master in mainland China. The horrid scene just jumped in my mind for no reasons and it started playing there. I was quite disturbed then. Then I saw the golden retriever in the clinic start barking and twirling around and seemed very disturbed too. His master tried to calm him down but couldn&#39;t. I intuitively realized what was going on and I told myself to STOP thinking about the sad incidence. The moment I stopped the thoughts, the dog calmed down almost immediately. The conclusion? No one can draw one for certain.

I&#39;m not trying to prove anything or convince anyone of anything. I only want to bring out a few things which many people have never thought about before. We shouldn&#39;t just take everything before us without questioning. Our eyes could deceive us. Our worldly knowledge could deceive us. Science could also be deceiving.

In many of my dreams I have a mission to kill someone, usually female, and it usually involves me dismemebering them with the swings of a very long sharp sword.
However this has only ever been in non-lucids.
When I&#39;m lucid I have absolutely no desire to do any harm to anyone at all.

I have no solid argument for this but I do belive there is something not quite right with consciously engaging in lucids purely for the purpose of maiming and killing.
I am starting to think, though, that my subconscious must be a misogynist.

Why would it not be ok? It&#39;s not like you&#39;re harming an actual person. DCs are just figments of your imagination, something that your mind is created....they&#39;re in no way real.

how do you know that?

Originally Posted by Keeper

how do you know that?
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How don&#39;t you know that? Why do you bother asking? You&#39;re just as sure as we are.

... what?

What&#39;s the point of asking such questions? "How do you know that" "define real" "define that" Where are you going with all this?

Originally Posted by really

What&#39;s the point of asking such questions? "How do you know that" "define real" "define that" Where are you going with all this?
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because if dreams arn&#39;t real there are no consiquences of any (or most) natures, but if they are, what makes killing them any different from killing a normal person?

Killing in a Dream,.. It creats Karma, bad karma....
NOt as strong as killing some in real life, but it creats a mental seed.

I know is fun.. but,, no good for you.

This went from opinion on one thing to semantics on many. clearly its a tossed up subject much like dream sex/cheating or dream anything for that matter. I say you should find your own answer inside and try not to impose it upon others. I feel lucid dreams say a lot about us and our morals. If societies constraints were removed in waking life as they are in LDing what would you do?......

Originally Posted by Ben_

Killing in a Dream,.. It creats Karma, bad karma....
NOt as strong as killing some in real life, but it creats a mental seed.

I know is fun.. but,, no good for you.
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This is pretty much where I&#39;m coming from as well.
I&#39;m not saying what&#39;s right or wrong for anyone else- that&#39;s up to each individual- or debating whether DC&#39;s are real or not, but for me, personally, consciously indulging in destructive negative behaviour is not a good thing, whether I do it in real life or in my head.

I don&#39;t want myself getting used to the feeling of killing people for fun.

My dreams are real to me, and that&#39;s all that metters.