WILDing Myself to Sleep

[Phalangees]

I know that sleep patterns put you in a deep sleep with minimal brain activity first and then you go into the normal pattern of REM and semi-deep sleep. I wanted to overcome this and if possible make it permanent to have the REM period first. Imagine if instead of having a lucid randomly in the middle of the night, you could have one at the beginning of the night and you don't have to worry about how much sleep you'll actually be getting that night and if it'll be enough for a lucid. Last night I tried a WILD when I went to bed and I had some success. I let myself fall closer and closer to sleep and when I felt I was close enough I attempted to disconnect from my body. I imagined I had a different set of arms that were at my side and pushing me up away from the mattress. I had the strangest sensation in my chest and started to feel tingles all over my body. I've read all about sleep paralysis but never have experienced it myself. It was amazing. The tingles turned into a vibration. The hypnotic images on my eyelids went crazy. The tingles stopped and suddenly it felt as if a curtain was lifted from my eyes. I was no longer staring at my eyelids but instead I was staring into a dark room. Slowly light began to shine into the room and I saw a couch begin to form. I got really excited... and woke myself up. I was so close. Tonight I will try again but I will attempt to stay calm to fully enter a lucid. I wonder if the lucid will be unstable because it is unnatural for your brain to be in a dream state so early in the night. Does anyone have any information on this to help with my little study?

[KuRoSaKi]

If I am not mistaken sleep pattern is pretty much set. So REM always goes last or is always the last stage. Keep calm.......you should keep calm........ did I mention you should keep calm? Step one of dreaming is stabilization if your dream is unstable it will collapse. Keeping your emotions in check is also a key factor when your emotions get to high this can also cause you to wake up. There are many a stabilization technique like rubbing your hands together, focusing on something, touching the ground, spinning (not recommended for beginners), and shouting out commands.

[Dewitback]

yeah one time I achieved lucidity by just sleeping at nigt, but I had a nap before then and I think I read somewhere that if you nap before you sleep you can get lucid. But other than that I just fall asleep before I can get into sleep paralyisis. i think its safer to wild in the middle of the night, but lets see if your teqnique works. it could save me alot of trouble

[Phalangees]

last night I failed. :/ Didn't even get to SP. It was too loud in my house and the neighbors dog was barking up a storm. I had so much trouble holding my concentration. Hopefully tonight I'll have an easier time.

[FooFightersKid]

hey, when yo ufelt the tingles did your heart kind of race and did you begin to breath heavily? every time i get close i start breathing heavier like "here we go i think!" or something. and sometimes i feel this force overcome my body like im being lifted or something

[Phalangees]

Yes that's exactly what happened. You just have to hold your concentration through it and don't fight it. It feels so awesome. I failed again last night. Had a ton on my mind and just couldn't concentrate. Hopefully tonight will be better.

[Man of Shred]

I was so close to WILD last night. I was both aware of being in a dream and at the same time being in my real bed. this happens to me a lot. the dual perception always loses focus and i wake up

[Phalangees]

I know exactly what your talking about. I had the same thing happen last night but not when I went to bed but rather in the middle of the night. I got to sleep paralysis again last night but right after that my sister flushed a toilet and scared the crap out of me.

[DarThDreAmeR]

I've tried getting to SP twice and I think I may have gotten close. I feel like my mind is awake the whole time and once in a while I let myself go into sort of a dream. The problem is that when I realize that I'm watching this dream like thing it goes away fast. I'm still in a very relaxed state close to falling asleep. Also once in a while I start to move without wanting to. Am I supposed to stay completely still the whole time? And if I have an itch should I scratch it? I've heared you can trick your body into thinking your sleep by ignoring it...and I've also heared you can scratch it but just don't think about it too much

[Snakecharmer1222]

I've been attempting to WILD for about a week straight now and I've gotten pretty close! In one instance, I remember going through sleep paralysis and seeing an image of an arrowhead. I lost concentration when I focused in on it of course, my heart was racing and I was breathing rapidly when I woke up. My word of advice is to keep practicing, it may help you get used to the sensations and allow you to free your mind. P.S. Were you trying to WILD when you first went to bed? I've been trying a method of sleeping 5-6 hours in the night, staying up for about a half-hour, and then trying WILD. Recently though, I've been dozing off before waking my mind up enough, perhaps staying up for an hour should do the trick. Anyway, hope this helps! P.S.S I guess they called it "wild" for a reason!

[Phalangees]

Snakecharmer - if you read my first post you will see why I'm trying to WILD at the beginning of the night. Thanks for your advice though. I'll do what I can to follow it. Darthedreamer - If you have an itch don't think about it, just itch it. If it itches your gonna be forced to concentrate on it and your concentrating on ignoring it rather then WILDing. Just itch it and move on. For me at least it really hasn't done any harm to itch it. I can still get SP soon after. The movements are normal too. They are called hypnic jerks and there's really no explanation for it but wikipedia says that some believe it happens because your body thinks you are dying and it's trying to jerk you back. They are completely normal. My head jerks like crazy right before I hit SP. Then my breathing gets deep and fast and my heart starts racing and it's awesome.

[tekkendreams]

Yes that's exactly what happened. You just have to hold your concentration through it and don't fight it. It feels so awesome. I failed again last night. Had a ton on my mind and just couldn't concentrate. Hopefully tonight will be better. u mean just let it flow ? dont concentrate on it?. PS: it is possible to WILD to sleep , my very first time trying to LD was at the first sleep , i was able to get the sinking feeling within my body but freaked out didnt know what it was

[Phalangees]

Yes, let it flow. Is it possible? That's what I'm trying to figure out. So far all I know is that it's possilbe to get close to WILDing to sleep.

[nzguy]

Sounds like there's still quite a lot of noise in your house at night. I'd recommend getting some earplugs. By blocking off your hearing, you might also find it improves the realism of your LD when you have one - that's what I've found with non-lucids anyway.

[Dewitback]

I've been trying a method of sleeping 5-6 hours in the night, staying up for about a half-hour, and then trying WILD. Recently though, I've been dozing off before waking my mind up enough, perhaps staying up for an hour should do the trick. Anyway, hope this helps! Can you fall back asleep easily after waking up 5 hours after going to bed and then staying up for a half hour? That is amazing, if I sleep past like 4 hours and stay up for 5 minutes I'll be awake for an hour. Although I have found that sleeping 2-3 hours and staying up for 5-10 minutes before giong back to bed puts me to sleep TOO fast and then I can't get into a dream. u mean just let it flow ? dont concentrate on it?. I always have trouble with this! Esp. when its an image or something. twice I've had this t.v image with the screen having some sort of activity going on, but if I concentrate on it too much I wake up shortly. Is SO annoying omg. But one time there was someone talking in my head while I was in SP and I concentrated on that and it worked getting me into my dream lucidly, but I woke up like a minute afterwards. My best attempt at WILDing was when I got into sp and concentrated on moving my dream body. That feeling of "falling through your bed" or whatever you feel I'm sure you can manipulate and make it feel as if you are rolling out of your body. But once my dream became clear and a scene appeared it felt so real I thought I wasn't dreaming. make sure to RC. So i dont know whether to concentrate slightly or not at all. I'll post up more if I find out. I have ample time haha. ITs summmmmer!

[Phalangees]

My fastest and closest WILD was when I attempted to pull away from my body and move my dream body like Dwitback. Last night I didn't even get SP. I fell asleep seconds after hitting the bed. Very exhausting day. I did have 2 LD's last night though so it even's out. Tonight I'll make sure to concentrate hard enough to get to SP and I'm gonna try really hard to get a lucid at the beginning of the night.

[DarThDreAmeR]

Once you wake up and are attempting to get very relaxed to get into SP what do you let your mind think of? If I concentrate too much on getting myself ready for when I'm about to fall asleep then I usually end up staying awake for a while. I need to know what i should think of when I'm trying to get relaxed

[Phalangees]

For me, I try to stimulate my brain by thinking that I'm playing volleyball outdoors. I try to imagine the sun in my eyes, the grass poking my feet, the entire volley all in my head. I try to stimulate all of my senses in my head. After about 3 minutes of that my body is just about ready to go into SP. I just have to push myself a little deeper and then I attempt to pull away from my body and I can usually get SP that way. The hardest part for me doing that method, is keeping your concentration during the senses stimulation. DarThDreAmeR: We share a common goal. I've always wanted to physically be in a good game of snipers as a spartan.

[DarThDreAmeR]

I knew I wasn't alone! I love Halo.. But do you keep your mind on volleyball while making the transfer to SP? Which technique do you use to induce it? The first time I tried the FILD technique it worked great. The problem that I'm having now is timing. It's hard to know when to start the finger movements.

[Ohyeah92]

I'm with you on the WILDing thing. i try b4 sleep and then if it doesn't work my alarm goes at 330 and i try FILD, so theres a better chance of a LD.:p P.S. Darthdreamer ive gottne close with starting right after i realize i am awake.

[Phalangees]

I don't use any traditional methods. I try to pull away from my body. It works so well for getting SP. I'll try to do a FILD tonight if I can. Last night I tried to fall asleep while listening to music so it would drown out the other noises in and around my house. I put on some softer music (Jack Johnson) and attempted to enter SP but I didn't even get close. I fell asleep so quickly. I've tried doing WILD's in the middle of the night before but I've never been able to. The minute my head hits the pillow I'm out cold. Even if I stay awake for a half hour before and drink a coke.

[Dewitback]

I've tried doing WILD's in the middle of the night before but I've never been able to. The minute my head hits the pillow I'm out cold. Even if I stay awake for a half hour before and drink a coke. haha! Thats funny you should mention that because its starting to happen to me. At first it was all like, "I canttt fall asleeeeppp" for like an hour or usually more, but I think it was because I was so into it and excited that I'd wake myself up more, but recently It will be like 15 minutes and I'll fall right asleep. man, nothing in the middle. You know what you should try if you have an ipod? i would try but its broken You should put the volume really soft and put a music alarm on set to about i dont know 2-4 oclock, and then go to sleep with your headphones in your ears. So maybe in your dream you will hear music and be like, waittt a minuuute. Yeah I saw something like this in the movie "the science of sleep". its a good movie if you like dreams and stuff.

[MindDaguerreotype]

Changing the natural sleep physiology would certainly be difficult However some do, like "polyphasic sleep" / "uberman sleep schedule". I never did it myself, but I think that in those schedules you enter REM stage faster (because you train your body to hurry up getting all the sleep stages in the very short sleep period allowed). I did WILD on the evening maybe twice. It was more difficult than in the morning, and faaaaaar longer. I think it took me 2 hours (I naturally need 1h to fall asleep usually). My guess is that during those 2 hours I actually did a low-quality version of the normal sleep phases (calm mind, body resting) and the REM stage eventually occured, so I didn't really reversed the natural order.