Thread: EXTREME Lucid Experiments

Wrong. Sight may be merely impulses in the brain but that is not enough. Blind men do not have images in their dreams. Do you have the ability to sense electrical currents or magnetism? No. Certain animals can, so it is biologically possible. All we can imagine is subject to our own experiences.

There are uncountable phenomina in our universe. We are limited to very few sences with which to percieve them, even though we have more than five (the belief that humans have only five sences is a fallicy).

You said you saw infrared? Did you see the multicoloured images showing heat, or the actual shade beyond red? Though we do have infrared imaging technology, that is merely a representation of what it is really showing. If the display was infrared, what would be the point? We would be unable to view it.

Take the human eye. It doesn't show colour as clearly as one would imagine. First light has to go through the lens, then a thick gelatinous substance and finally a thin layer or nerves before it so much as reaches the cells that recept light. The colours we see are not true to the outside world. The reality we may never get to see.

You use the experience of flight in dreams. Not even close. Flying a plane is possible because it is simply a matter of moving joysticks while the plane moves as you want it to because of your will. I have driven cars in my dreams before ever having done so in waking life. I doubt that I used more than one pedal and the steering wheel, yet the car moved normally.

The difference is that you are trying to experience something beyond your limits as a human being. The universe is much bigger than we are, and we go around trying to make sense of its infinite secrets. Don't forget, we are using a language originally developed to tell each other where the best fruit is to explain something so mindblowingly enormous with just so much we cannot detect.

We are, quite frankly, nothing. Sure, that doesn't remove any importance of us. Our lives are important, because they are so to us. It just means that we can only experience a tiny fraction of what is around us.


I'm sorry... I seem to have rambled. I just have trouble with getting my thoughts out clearly. Words are only my second language. I prefere semantic thought, but that is not viable for inter-person comunications.

hmm, interesting, I will have to do a little research into it before I fully accept the idea but interesting none the less. I do still believe it possible for a blind man to dream sight but I won't claim it to be fact.

When I say I saw infrared it is hard to put into words that would make sense. I could compare it to something that is tangible to everyone else like saying it looked like such and such but then in saying that it looked like that I just gave you the wrong mental image. You would now perceive my seeing in infrared as merely seeing those colors. So, considering I have no ability to see infrared in real life I can still see what my mind has given infrared in my dreams. The way it interprets infrared electrical signals even though they are not visible to the human eyes receptors

The flight comment was that of human flight not machine induced flight. I have never and will never to my knowledge be able to fly in real life without external forces acting on me. But I guess you could say that my mind just creates the sensations that it thinks flying would give. so i will just put that argument aside.

Although I know not everything is possible in dreams I do believe that we have some untapped potential within our minds that is not being used because of the frailty and imperfections in our human physical form. In dreams we excercise more control over reality but I believe we also can access some of those untapped portions of our mind.

Originally Posted by Shineenigma

Wrong. Sight may be merely impulses in the brain but that is not enough. Blind men do not have images in their dreams. Do you have the ability to sense electrical currents or magnetism? No. Certain animals can, so it is biologically possible. All we can imagine is subject to our own experiences.

There are uncountable phenomina in our universe. We are limited to very few sences with which to percieve them, even though we have more than five (the belief that humans have only five sences is a fallicy).

You said you saw infrared? Did you see the multicoloured images showing heat, or the actual shade beyond red? Though we do have infrared imaging technology, that is merely a representation of what it is really showing. If the display was infrared, what would be the point? We would be unable to view it.

Take the human eye. It doesn't show colour as clearly as one would imagine. First light has to go through the lens, then a thick gelatinous substance and finally a thin layer or nerves before it so much as reaches the cells that recept light. The colours we see are not true to the outside world. The reality we may never get to see.

You use the experience of flight in dreams. Not even close. Flying a plane is possible because it is simply a matter of moving joysticks while the plane moves as you want it to because of your will. I have driven cars in my dreams before ever having done so in waking life. I doubt that I used more than one pedal and the steering wheel, yet the car moved normally.

The difference is that you are trying to experience something beyond your limits as a human being. The universe is much bigger than we are, and we go around trying to make sense of its infinite secrets. Don't forget, we are using a language originally developed to tell each other where the best fruit is to explain something so mindblowingly enormous with just so much we cannot detect.

We are, quite frankly, nothing. Sure, that doesn't remove any importance of us. Our lives are important, because they are so to us. It just means that we can only experience a tiny fraction of what is around us.


I'm sorry... I seem to have rambled. I just have trouble with getting my thoughts out clearly. Words are only my second language. I prefere semantic thought, but that is not viable for inter-person comunications.

That was beautiful...

Look, even if it was impossible it's still possible for your brain to make you think you're seeing a new color beyond the normal spectrum of visible light. Who knows what flying would really feel like in waking life? It may not be the same as it feels in our dreams. But it is still possible to fly in dreams, just like it's possible to see a new color, even if it dosn't look the same as it would in waking life

Quick thought, how does the mind interperit the color spectrum for a child? They had never experienced it until they were born. And how would we learn if we can not experience new things that we have never experienced before? So a new color is completely possible.

I'm reposting this for those who don't like to bother reading the whole thread before posting.

Originally Posted by 27

Look, even if it was impossible it's still possible for your brain to make you think you're seeing a new color beyond the normal spectrum of visible light. Who knows what flying would really feel like in waking life? It may not be the same as it feels in our dreams. But it is still possible to fly in dreams, just like it's possible to see a new color, even if it dosn't look the same as it would in waking life

Just because you wouldn't be able to discribe it dosn't mean you couldn't experiance it.

Originally Posted by 27

I'm reposting this for those who don't like to bother reading the whole thread before posting.


Just because you wouldn't be able to discribe it dosn't mean you couldn't experiance it.

Still not convinced i mean how can you even picture a color that doesn't exist. If you think about it your mind will probably just mix up colors you already know. For example if you try to create a new animal. It would end up being a collage of many different animals your brain put together. You cant really see what you have never seen, by that meaning something completely original. Like a sphinx... half man and lion, a dragon part bird part dinosaur and so forth.
I hope i managed to get my message across

Why assume that your brain has to mix up things to produce something new? Your brain is capable of incredible things.

Originally Posted by warock

Still not convinced i mean how can you even picture a color that doesn't exist. If you think about it your mind will probably just mix up colors you already know. For example if you try to create a new animal. It would end up being a collage of many different animals your brain put together. You cant really see what you have never seen, by that meaning something completely original. Like a sphinx... half man and lion, a dragon part bird part dinosaur and so forth.
I hope i managed to get my message across

except differences between animals is not ANYTHING like those between colors. A person could absolutely create a new animal in a dream if he tried! (given the creative capabilities). All animals are simply elaborated DNA. Colors are unique in the way that the only thing that makes them the same, red, blue, and yellow, is that they are the three and only three puzzle pieces of light.

Hmm.. so what if we discovered like a "light-2", with 3 new primary colors? Would our brains percieve it? Or would we have to redefine physics??

man! its impossible to create a new color! its just not possible. i believe in every single damn thing like nessie and dream walkers. but creating a new color is just not possible. one thing that did strike me though, like jamous says, maybe if there was a new type of light, but still, it would be only a small percent chance. if there was new light it would probably either just make colors brighter or darker

[QUOTE=Shineenigma;731602Blind men do not have images in their dreams.[/QUOTE]
What if they weren't born blind? How long do you (or anyone else) think that someone can keep on 'seeing' in dreams after they have gone blind?

That's something I've thought about a lot, too. And what about deaf people who weren't born deaf... what is the difference between the mind's ear of a person like that and a person born deaf. I doubt that the mind's eye of a person born blind can't see. Maybe we should ask this:

Can we visualize something we haven't seen? And I don't mean weird shapes or contraptions, because they're usually comprised of stuff we've already seen. We construct these weird shapes using shapes we already know, we make weird objects of details already known to us.

Maybe the answer lies in creating colors we haven't yet seen in lucid dreams. Some people have claimed to have done this. Yet many have used existing colors to describe the new ones.

Or how about creating your very own shape. Something that isn't a square, a circle etc. or made of them. Such a feat probably demands the application of unknown dimensions, though. But in a dream, isn't everything possible?

Once again - questions with many different answers. Pick one and live with it. No guess is wrong.

360 vision?
Creating new colors?
Dayam...
never thought of it, how could you create new colors. I mean you cant see what you haven't seen. well you can in dreams like dragons and stuff... but a new color? how...