Thread: EXTREME Lucid Experiments

Originally Posted by Vance

Alright, for all you experienced LD'ers, have you tried:

360 Degree Vision

yes more than once very hard though getting easier

Dream Libraries

Many times :]

Raising Dream Characters

Yes sir :]

Creating new colors

Purpeen-Purple green together(not mixed)

Controlling more than one body in a dream...

I can control as many people as I want :]



Just curious!

Answers in BOLD

There are only so many colors to choose from, but what about seeing infra - red or emotions and not just with your eyes - seeing a stone - wall feeling that cold and hard and feeling that sore crack in it that you cant quite see like an old pain in your lower back.
Try pushing your conciousness into your surroundings to learn more about them, if you come to a door you can't open then feel the door with it's fiberous wood and imagine it turning to styrene - light with no strenghth and then push it over.

I've Done things like: Hold the Earth in one hand and the Sun in another (they both felt like Ice). I've flown fast and high above the clouds. I dove in muddy water and pulled out a brief case full of money. I've breathed under water. I was bitten by an aligator and dragged under, but he was waiting for me to suffocate (never happened). I've been shot and laughed at the shooter. I change people when I don't want them in my dreams anymore. I created car accidents. I paused everybody. I made myself dissappear. I've shot lightning from my hands. I turn chairs into helecoptors and flew away. I jumped from city to city. The list goes on.

360 degree vision, I imagine, would be an like having an incredibly enhanced peripheral vision. For without this being the case, how could you discern whether you are looking forwards, or looking backwards?

Originally Posted by springtide

There are only so many colors to choose from, but what about seeing infra - red or emotions and not just with your eyes - seeing a stone - wall feeling that cold and hard and feeling that sore crack in it that you cant quite see like an old pain in your lower back.
Try pushing your conciousness into your surroundings to learn more about them, if you come to a door you can't open then feel the door with it's fiberous wood and imagine it turning to styrene - light with no strenghth and then push it over.

Sounds like some form of Synesthesia!

360 degree vision is quite unambitious. I've experienced that in waking life for gods' sake. Just use a little imagination to expand the borders of your vision on both sides. I have good imagination, so you may not find it as easy, but it shouldn't be too hard.

As for creating a new colour. I think it is impossible. We are limited by our own experiences. Take the case of the man blind from birth. How could he possibly comprehend sight? He has nothing to compare it too. The same goes for every thing else outside owr sensory perception.

Pratchett fan Elite?

that's why it's 'CREATE' a new color. It's probably possible, just got to find a way HOW to do it.

Originally Posted by Shineenigma

As for creating a new colour. I think it is impossible. We are limited by our own experiences. Take the case of the man blind from birth. How could he possibly comprehend sight? He has nothing to compare it too. The same goes for every thing else outside owr sensory perception.

Pratchett fan Elite?

I have never flown in an air plane or flown in real life yet I can fly in my dreams, I can not see infra red in real life but last night i saw infra red with my naked eye. I do not believe we are limited to our own experiences in dreams, I believe that we can use any available ability of the mind, we just don't know how to use all of them. I am not so nieve to say that "everything" is possible but I will say that one heck of alot is.

Does a blind man dream? It should still be possible for the blind to comprehend sight i dreams b/c sight is merely the processing of electrical impulses by the brain. Next time someone sees a blind person ask them if they dream in sight. Just wanna know.

Wrong. Sight may be merely impulses in the brain but that is not enough. Blind men do not have images in their dreams. Do you have the ability to sense electrical currents or magnetism? No. Certain animals can, so it is biologically possible. All we can imagine is subject to our own experiences.

There are uncountable phenomina in our universe. We are limited to very few sences with which to percieve them, even though we have more than five (the belief that humans have only five sences is a fallicy).

You said you saw infrared? Did you see the multicoloured images showing heat, or the actual shade beyond red? Though we do have infrared imaging technology, that is merely a representation of what it is really showing. If the display was infrared, what would be the point? We would be unable to view it.

Take the human eye. It doesn't show colour as clearly as one would imagine. First light has to go through the lens, then a thick gelatinous substance and finally a thin layer or nerves before it so much as reaches the cells that recept light. The colours we see are not true to the outside world. The reality we may never get to see.

You use the experience of flight in dreams. Not even close. Flying a plane is possible because it is simply a matter of moving joysticks while the plane moves as you want it to because of your will. I have driven cars in my dreams before ever having done so in waking life. I doubt that I used more than one pedal and the steering wheel, yet the car moved normally.

The difference is that you are trying to experience something beyond your limits as a human being. The universe is much bigger than we are, and we go around trying to make sense of its infinite secrets. Don't forget, we are using a language originally developed to tell each other where the best fruit is to explain something so mindblowingly enormous with just so much we cannot detect.

We are, quite frankly, nothing. Sure, that doesn't remove any importance of us. Our lives are important, because they are so to us. It just means that we can only experience a tiny fraction of what is around us.


I'm sorry... I seem to have rambled. I just have trouble with getting my thoughts out clearly. Words are only my second language. I prefere semantic thought, but that is not viable for inter-person comunications.

hmm, interesting, I will have to do a little research into it before I fully accept the idea but interesting none the less. I do still believe it possible for a blind man to dream sight but I won't claim it to be fact.

When I say I saw infrared it is hard to put into words that would make sense. I could compare it to something that is tangible to everyone else like saying it looked like such and such but then in saying that it looked like that I just gave you the wrong mental image. You would now perceive my seeing in infrared as merely seeing those colors. So, considering I have no ability to see infrared in real life I can still see what my mind has given infrared in my dreams. The way it interprets infrared electrical signals even though they are not visible to the human eyes receptors

The flight comment was that of human flight not machine induced flight. I have never and will never to my knowledge be able to fly in real life without external forces acting on me. But I guess you could say that my mind just creates the sensations that it thinks flying would give. so i will just put that argument aside.

Although I know not everything is possible in dreams I do believe that we have some untapped potential within our minds that is not being used because of the frailty and imperfections in our human physical form. In dreams we excercise more control over reality but I believe we also can access some of those untapped portions of our mind.

I really want to try to do that new color thing. See I figure since the world as we know it is our minds attempt to make sense of data. I mean since red things aren't really red they are emitting a certain frequency and when our mind processes this information it lets us see it as red. That is the way we can understand it. Color is a fabrication of the mind and with that in mind it could really be possible to create a NEW COLOR. I mean our mind created all the colors we see now why not a new one. For the person who said that we have only a limited range of colors we can see I feel that is very close minded. Consider for a second that we had cones in our eyes sensitive to inferred light. In that case that new spectrum range won't be processed as an exaderated red it would be a new color. That’s how our brain would process it. Really and in a LD the possibilities are ENDLESS.

Awesome first post, Theskit! Welcome to DV! For the record I completely agree with you.

Originally Posted by Träumer

Do you think it is possible to create new colors? Your mind might be able to do or see things he has never seen before but creating a new color seems to be kind of hard. Your mind just knows the basic colors and is able to mix them to new colors but how could he be able to produce an entire new one?
Well, otherwise nothing is impossible in LDs...What do you think??

New color.....hm...that is an intresting thought... technicly it is possible becuse in a dream, especialy a lucid dream, anything is possable. But on the other hand we do have a full spectrum of colors and it would be hard to comprehend a new color.
hmmm...nice brain candy

The thing is that despite the infinite possiblity of dreams, they are still controlled by the brain. You'd be amazed at how much of dream content comes from waking experience. Studies have found that the majority of characters in our dreams, even the general crowd, are people we know, met or have merely seen in real life. Our waking experiences really do affect our dream content.

You see, dreams all come from our imaginations. I study both Biology and Psychology, including the topics of sight and dreaming respectively. The idea that we can perceive colours outside our spectrum doesn't make good sense in either. It is true, with the right biological apperatus, we could see infra-red light, but that does not meen that we can realisticly do so in our dreams. Some sharks can sense electricity. Now if you went into a dream and tried that would you feel it as a totally unique sensation? It is more likely that you would 'feel' it as heat or pain, which are seperate senses.

Just so you know where I stand, I do believe strongly in the power of the human imagination and I have a great one myself. I have with success put myself in non-human bodies, feeling with each sense (albeit, only the ones I possess) in a waking state with my imagination alone. I also know my own mind, motives and functions better than most people. I can control my emotions manually and turn off most forms of pain. I am basing my arguement off my experience an open mind and carefully applied scientific reasoning.

If someone could in a dream, view a colour outside of what we know, and report back with a detailed description of the events and colour, as well as the method used to view it, that would greatly benefit this discussion. It is though, equally important that if you fail, you report back, unless it is something trivial like 'I was about to try to see a knew colour but I saw Homer Simpson down the road and forgot about the task', or similar.

.. the whole "new color" thing might be impossible.. even in a dream... that's like asking someone who's been blind since birth to describe what they see in a dream... even if they didhave normal sight in their dreams they wouldnt know what it was or how to discribe it.. if we could see a color that according to current science doesnt exist, it would almost have to appear as something besides "color" as we know it... even if it was experienced the mere thought of describing it would be simply impossible...

I haven't seen a new color before, but I once asked a dc to let me taste the most amazing thing ever. He pulled out a kind of slime liquid and when I tasted it.... OH my god. I cant describe it obviously but it tasted so good I actually felt my body drop away and complete euphoric vertigo rush over me.

That's pretty cool. Not quite the same thing though.

Originally Posted by Shineenigma

Wrong. Sight may be merely impulses in the brain but that is not enough. Blind men do not have images in their dreams. Do you have the ability to sense electrical currents or magnetism? No. Certain animals can, so it is biologically possible. All we can imagine is subject to our own experiences.

There are uncountable phenomina in our universe. We are limited to very few sences with which to percieve them, even though we have more than five (the belief that humans have only five sences is a fallicy).

You said you saw infrared? Did you see the multicoloured images showing heat, or the actual shade beyond red? Though we do have infrared imaging technology, that is merely a representation of what it is really showing. If the display was infrared, what would be the point? We would be unable to view it.

Take the human eye. It doesn't show colour as clearly as one would imagine. First light has to go through the lens, then a thick gelatinous substance and finally a thin layer or nerves before it so much as reaches the cells that recept light. The colours we see are not true to the outside world. The reality we may never get to see.

You use the experience of flight in dreams. Not even close. Flying a plane is possible because it is simply a matter of moving joysticks while the plane moves as you want it to because of your will. I have driven cars in my dreams before ever having done so in waking life. I doubt that I used more than one pedal and the steering wheel, yet the car moved normally.

The difference is that you are trying to experience something beyond your limits as a human being. The universe is much bigger than we are, and we go around trying to make sense of its infinite secrets. Don't forget, we are using a language originally developed to tell each other where the best fruit is to explain something so mindblowingly enormous with just so much we cannot detect.

We are, quite frankly, nothing. Sure, that doesn't remove any importance of us. Our lives are important, because they are so to us. It just means that we can only experience a tiny fraction of what is around us.


I'm sorry... I seem to have rambled. I just have trouble with getting my thoughts out clearly. Words are only my second language. I prefere semantic thought, but that is not viable for inter-person comunications.

That was beautiful...

Look, even if it was impossible it's still possible for your brain to make you think you're seeing a new color beyond the normal spectrum of visible light. Who knows what flying would really feel like in waking life? It may not be the same as it feels in our dreams. But it is still possible to fly in dreams, just like it's possible to see a new color, even if it dosn't look the same as it would in waking life

Quick thought, how does the mind interperit the color spectrum for a child? They had never experienced it until they were born. And how would we learn if we can not experience new things that we have never experienced before? So a new color is completely possible.

Don't forget new smells

Visualize in 4 spaces instead of 3 spaces

Visualize in 2 Time dimensions instead of 1 Time

And for all you nay sayers... this is kind of the point, you can't proove anything is real... as long as you take the time to make reasonable facsimiles. I mean clearly it is not possible to see a 4 space object without a 4 space eyeball, but the experience is fun none the less if you prep yourself by reading up on the 4 space....

Unless of course you are Ayn Rand...
Now there's a dream character to be fearful of... lol

ive controlled two bodies as in moved someone like a puppet using telekinesis, and ive cloned my self and contolled two of my bodies, though it was in third person.

Originally Posted by seeker28

Usually I've only made another body move. However, there have been a few times where I actually felt and saw with two or more bodies (3 is the most I've ever done).

Amazing.

I already have controlled more than one person, by accident in a normal dream last night. Yeah I know it always seems people say "last night" all the time but I swear it actually was. I was watching a bloke in a wheelchair and I literally began to control him. I wasn't moving my hands around in some kind of spell or oot, but as I was watching him I could move his muscles and think his thoughts, but I was still in my own body laughing at him. I'm not tight, I was trying to make him take a run up to a slope and manage a backflip. I have possessed a DC entirely before against my will but that's different.

Now 360 vision... is that possible? That would be so trippy! That's weird; I've been living for 15 years and I've only just noticed there's a big blank space around my head. Oh and get this. You know that thing you see when you close one eye and look towards it with you're other, it's your nose right? I thought it was the back of my eyelids until about a month ago (makes no sense I know). Then one day I touched it and thought "WTF? It's been my nose all this time!". There may be more we haven't recognised yet.