The worst thing you can do is blindly take the word of someone else as the truth. |
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My father is a pastor and studied theology so i guess i figure hes correct... but he explained to me that after we die and go to heaven we have a new body... which i understood but he said we also dont remember anything from our past life? just wondering if this is accurate? didnt really ask my did what part of the bible it was in but, jeez... that sounds horrible though not remember anything it kinda sounds as if we are not ourselves in anyway... but i guess i could kinda understand since its such a pure place... i dunno anyone else? |
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The worst thing you can do is blindly take the word of someone else as the truth. |
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Um no.....well it depends on your religious beliefs...but i 2 believe in the bible...& that doesn't make any sense. In the pre existence we come 2 earth recieve a body & remember nothing of our past....maybe that is what he is getting confused on...but after death our souls go 2 the 3 kingdoms of heaven...& after judgement we receive our bodies back in perfect formation...remembering the past btw |
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I don't remember ANY of that being taught or explained in the Bible. "Pre-existence," 3 kingdoms, and other teachings are from EXTRA-BIBICAL literature that is taught by the LDS (Mormon) church. |
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"By day the LORD directs his love, at night his song is with me; a prayer to the God of my life."
Psalm 42:8
Any religion or other following/belief which tries to explain an afterlife as a concrete event is trying to sell you a load of unprovable dogma. This applies to this current "reality" as well but I won't get into that. What we do after death is our choice, Consciousness operates on all frequencies and is impervious to the death of the physical existence. There is no such thing as "death" of consciousness. The concept does not exist. There is an infinite range of dimensions beyond the frequency spectrum accessible by the physical senses, and we become One with all of this when we die, just as long as we don't get completely sucked into an image of what the afterlife will be like, and believe it to be the only possibility. |
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In this crazy world if they don't consider you mad, then you have no confirmation of your own sanity, do you?
Imagine if this crazy world thought you were sane?! Oh my God, worst nightmare!
-David Icke
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"By day the LORD directs his love, at night his song is with me; a prayer to the God of my life."
Psalm 42:8
First off...buddy i never said 1st coronthians said anything about the pre existance, i forgot u didn't find anything about it, but i'll be sure to find it for u. & secondly where it was talking about "celestrial" bodies & what not, it was talking about after judgment & worthiness towards god....which is a title btw...& what is this thing about paradise? just because they weren't babtised doesn't mean they weren't good people worthy enough to be in a happy place....& while they r in paradise they are taught teachings that allow them 2 be babtised later...that's why the LDS church has 'babtisms for the dead" if u want the scripture on the bible pertaining 2 that i can get that for u in 2 seconds! & why can't ressurected bodies be tied 2 heaven? it simply is saying the body is tied 2 its degree of glory! pluss most everything in the bible is used in metaphors like that of Eve coming across a serpant in the garden...which is Satan appearing as a holy man...if u want the complete description of that...i got that covered 2. The reason why Terrestrial is referred 2 earth is simple....THAT IS WHERE THE KINGDOM IS! who says heaven has to be "in the sky" it is just in a perfect form. I do agree w/the difference between the bodies being mortal & immortal though. As for the Telestrail word it does exist but i will have 2 wait for my brother 2 get home so i can ask him 2 prove that 2 u. & it makes sense there are only 2 ways 2 spend eternity in hell or heaven...hello....just because there are 3 kingdoms doesn't mean it still isn't a heavenly place then of course theres outer darkness where only those who deny christ the son go....but i'm sure there are different levels of hell as well...but i really don't study too much of that place seeing as how i don't plan on going there. Btw....the 3 kingdoms doesn't last for eternity anyhow! after judgement you are either found worthy enough to have a body & live on earth in perfect form during the millenium...or just flat out burn w/satan & his followers so of course i'm supporting everything said about "2 eternities" because it is right. |
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I was only trying to show that isolated scripture verses should not be used to found entire doctrines. There have been more than thirty different attempts to interpret the passage regarding baptism of the dead. 1. The plain meaning of the Greek in verse 29 is that some people are being baptized on behalf of those who have died--and if there is no resurrection, why are they doing this? 2. Either Paul is referring to a pagan custom (notice he uses the word "they," not "we"), or he is referring to a superstitious and unscriptural practice in the Corinthian church of vicarious baptism for believers who died before being baptized. 3. Either way, he certainly does not approve of or teach the practice as an ordinance; he merely says that if there is no resurrection, why would the custom take place? The Mormon practice of baptism for the dead is neither scriptural or sensible. Baptism for the dead is a practice that was common in the pagan religions of Greece and is still practiced today by some cults; but it doesn't change a person's sentence, for that is determined while he lives (Luke 16:26). There is no evidence that the people described in the Book of Mormon practiced, or knew of, baptism for the dead. In fact, Book of Mormon teaching seems to clearly preclude the practice on several counts; the evidence on this point is considered later in the article. The silence of the Book of Mormon on baptism for the dead is an important fact, for it means that a single verse in the Bible — 1 Corinthians 15:29 — constitutes its sole mention in ancient Christian Scripture. This is acknowledged by the Encyclopedia of Mormonism (a 1992 work published under the supervision of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the LDS church3 ) — “He [Paul] refers to a practice of vicarious baptism, a practice for which we have no other evidence in the Pauline or other New Testament or early Christian writings.” |
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"By day the LORD directs his love, at night his song is with me; a prayer to the God of my life."
Psalm 42:8
Hmm sorry I skipped the whole load of Bible stuff. It's just there like every other religion to keep people focused on the story in a literal sense when in reality it fails to describe the magnitude of what, not who, we really are. I'm not spewing dogma, I'm taking religion and whipping off the mask. The deal is that we are not human - this is a shell to experience this existence. We are the creators of it, but we have been indoctrinated to believe we are somehow subordinate to it, unable to change it, and at the mercy of it. The truth is that it originates from right inside our heads. The subconscious mind is accessing this reality through a frequency, which is transmitted through the conscious mind, which acts as an individual observer. Our eyes pick up light vibrations, and with that information combined with the Universal point of view, our world is created and we are given a certain perspective of it. Atoms are nothing more than empty space, and the electrons are the vibrations which are accessed by our eyes. You are looking at a hologram |
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In this crazy world if they don't consider you mad, then you have no confirmation of your own sanity, do you?
Imagine if this crazy world thought you were sane?! Oh my God, worst nightmare!
-David Icke
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And I find it kind of funny
I find it kind of sad
The Dreams in which I'm dying
are the best I've ever had
I find it hard to tell you
And I find it hard to take
When people run in circles it's a very very
Mad World
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The only difference between a religion and a cult is 100 years. |
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Haha, bradybaker, your sarcasm cracks me up sometimes. |
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naturals are what we call people who did all the right things accidentally
We live here, we live now. |
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What is your dream?
It depends on what one's definition of a "cult" is. There are some cults tha exist that are "well tolerated." One should not rely on priests, pastors, Theologians, parents, or big brothers to form beliefs or opinions for them. One must eventually arrive at their own conclusions and convictions. As far as their being "no point" in discussion, I totally disagree. Many people find purpose, passion, conviction, and direction ONLY THROUGH discussion of this sort. |
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"By day the LORD directs his love, at night his song is with me; a prayer to the God of my life."
Psalm 42:8
Well i get ur point totally, & my "big" brother isn't the one who has decided my beliefs for me, i was born into an LDS family & left it @ the age of 14 & didn't rejoin it untill the middle of last year. (16) i just wanted u 2 know that i made this decisions all on my own. & i have a lot of friends that aren't LDS i once had a best friend who is Babtist & i have an Athiest bf. Your beliefs don't discourage me @ all, the only reason i'm having my brother reply on this topic is because i know he knows quite a bit more than i do on the matter, i'm not saying he is coming w/come backs for me. I'm just saying i want 2 see his opinion on the matter. |
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Ayeeet. Here's some reading material in the meantime... |
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"By day the LORD directs his love, at night his song is with me; a prayer to the God of my life."
Psalm 42:8
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What is your dream?
Ok i read it. It didn't shake my beliefs @ all, i can come up w/an answer 2 every thing that they try 2 back lash us on. |
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"By day the LORD directs his love, at night his song is with me; a prayer to the God of my life."
Psalm 42:8
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U R wrong. U R all wrong. **I** have all the answers. I ams o smrt. Boo ya. |
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In this crazy world if they don't consider you mad, then you have no confirmation of your own sanity, do you?
Imagine if this crazy world thought you were sane?! Oh my God, worst nightmare!
-David Icke
YES! :bravo: |
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What is your dream?
Are you actually 12? |
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In this crazy world if they don't consider you mad, then you have no confirmation of your own sanity, do you?
Imagine if this crazy world thought you were sane?! Oh my God, worst nightmare!
-David Icke
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