Thread: If You're Conscious, How Can You Die?

I'm not exactly sure what though

becomingagodo shush
please nobody really benfits from your sarcasm and your tunnel vision
least of all you
Imran

So anyway, back to the subject at hand.

Here is an article that shows how even western science is slowly falling into a line that skates around the same idea.

his theory is credible to some extent
in places it seems far fetched
I do believe that having a positive attitude is essential in life
and also i am spirtiualist and that the mind and body are defintely symbiotic
with a healthy mind comes a healthy body
and the matuirty to life span ratio fact was deifntely interesting
Imran

Originally Posted by Keeper

so you have a bigginning. Now, do you remember every hour of your life after that?
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How do you know that you have a beginning? I did not begin in this life, I changed to it. What I was or did prior to this life dose not matter. at least not at this moment. Thinking that I have a beginning and end is the base rules of limitation. I have no beginning so I have no end. Just unlimited time to change.

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I don&#39;t know if I believe this guy&#39;s theory, but playing Devil&#39;s Advocate: gagodo, your argument has no value. A computer isnt a living, conscious being.[/b]

I don&#39;t think that godo&#39;s example of a computer being switched off is completely useless because in many ways the human brain can be compared to a computer, albeit a very complex computer. A computer, in simple terms, has a processor and other parts, which enable it to function. A brain is made up of neurons with billions of synapses, which enable consciousness. Pull the plug on a computer and it ceases to work, cut oxygen to the brain and it also ceases to work.

The human mind is a physical process, and directly tied to matter - ie. neurons - and so some of what the guy says is true. Consciousness is a part of the body, and inseperable from it. While life expectancy is increasing, I don&#39;t think it&#39;s possible to escape death by simply not believing in it. His healthy diet and exercise will certainly go a long way towards proonging his life, but there is no escaping the fact that the body ages. Some cells do not regenerate - such as those in the lens of the eye - and as we age our DNA also takes a battering.

But, could you not say that you are dead to the form you once had, as you have none (or at least few) of the memories that it had?

When you die, you will sleep, and you will remember nothing. Nothing of your past, or the future, nore friends, family and loved ones.

If you cant recall your whole life, every second, then what makes you think you will have a recal in death?

death is a sleep that, though I look forward to, I dont particularely think I am going to enjoy the final part of the ride to get there. please excuse the grammer

Well Raz you could argue quantum mechanics, Spacetime or big bounce to explain your ideas whitch is more then Keeper can do. The only thing is is confirmation biased you tend to look for thing that agree with you i would use keeper again but then that would not be fair on keeper. All i can say is that consciousness is not a special thing it were just like a computer now if we were in a classical universe i could straight forward argue we will die but were in a quantum universe and that makes reasoning harder. If somebody put a gun to my head and says do you die i would proberly say no but that could be confirmation biased.

I&#39;m sorry, do you think that I am an idiot with no knowledge of physics?

I&#39;m sorry, do you think that I am an idiot with no knowledge of physics?[/b]

Well yes. The point is that confirmation biased whitch keeper you fall for it many times.

how?

Intelligent design for one which is religion and has no evidence just argument for ignorance plus the flying spegetti monster and alien did it or even artifical intelligence could be responicble and not god. Belife in god with no proof just idea like rav in my mind rav idea our better. Only agreeing with scientist who believe in god hence the scientist who believe. Not considering the fact you could be wrong whitch is ignorance. Agreeing with the bible and saying their no contradiction but then ignoring historical accuarcy when physic is wrong the belife that chirstian thought everything goes around earth instead of sun.

... I dont think you answered me

Yeah you&#39;re right he didn&#39;t answer you. The only thing he did was went off on a tangent something that is definitely not out of the norm for these people. I guess he thought he was making some sort of a point.

becomingagodo
you doggedly refuse to stick to the subject at hand and your replace the subject with tangesnts regarding science
yes we agree you have a good knowledge of physics
well done
*medal*
now youve ccomplished that could you please go back to the point and answer keeper
by the way im not theist either, i just wish the atheists on this forum would stop making us all look like arrogant fools
Imran

becomingagodo
you doggedly refuse to stick to the subject at hand and your replace the subject with tangesnts regarding science
yes we agree you have a good knowledge of physics
well done[/b]

Actually i did stick to the subject well keeper was attacking raz logic so i was trying to defend raz by saying keeper ignorant .

now youve ccomplished that could you please go back to the point and answer keeper
by the way im not theist either, i just wish the atheists on this forum would stop making us all look like arrogant fools[/b]

I am not a atheist.

Well yes. The point is that confirmation biased whitch keeper you fall for it many times. [/b]

how?[/b]

To anwser the question i need to go oftopic abit.
So keeper are you up to date with quantum mechanics, classical physics and advance mathmatics. Anwser the question keeper and i will show you why you suffer from confirmation biased.

HOW am I an idiot?

Are you saying that it is illogical to corrilate dreamless sleep with death?

HOW am I an idiot?

Are you saying that it is illogical to corrilate dreamless sleep with death?[/b]

You didnt anwser my question again

So keeper are you up to date with quantum mechanics, classical physics and advance mathmatics. [/b]

in a manner of speaking.

I study those things out of a disire to know as much as I can about this universe that we live in, but I dont clame to be an expert

however, I do have a firm understanding of the basics and some of the more advanced parts

in a manner of speaking.

I study those things out of a disire to know as much as I can about this universe that we live in, but I dont clame to be an expert

however, I do have a firm understanding of the basics and some of the more advanced parts[/b]

So you understand the mathematics of quantum mechanics and what the experiment like EPR, double slit and modern electronics say about the universe.

I&#39;m sorry, but what does that have to do with this?

So you understand the mathematics of quantum mechanics and what the experiment like EPR, double slit and modern electronics say about the universe.[/b]

I am trying to prove how little you know of the universe so anwser the question.

... but that is stupid. I am not going to inflate your ego just because you want me to.

You have already made up your mind about me, so if I say yes or no to you, you will still hold your preconseved ideas.

I could turn this around, and ask how much you know, but I wont humiliate you like that (or at least not make you seem like an air-head).

I will instead ask you to tell me how my theory is flawed

I will instead ask you to tell me how my theory is flawed[/b]

Well you dont want to discuss the universe then fine on you. Well what theory i could make a thousand assumption on what going on in your head but then that would be pointless. so what theory and be precise