Thread: The Law Of Attraction

There are many many unexplained things in the world. There are a lot of things for which there is "no scientific explanation" - but it doesn't mean they don't exist.

I'm experiencing the results of using the LOA in my favour. To be perfectly honest I don't really care whether there's scientific evidence for it or not lol - it's working for me and that's the only "evidence" I need.

But, since there are others who may be interested and haven't yet got the results they want, I did post links to an interview in this thread - that DOES offer some scientific evidence. It's funny that this seems to be ignored by those complaining there's "no scientific evidence". The Gnome, as someone with a strong scientific background, I'd be interested in hearing your views on the interview.

Love and Light and Magic xxx

Originally Posted by illusions

There are many many unexplained things in the world. There are a lot of things for which there is "no scientific explanation" - but it doesn't mean they don't exist.

Don't you understand what I mean though? You can say that because there are many things science doesn't explain that anything you want exists.

so I can claim that the flying spaghetti monster is orbiting mars.


You can say; where is any scientific evidence for that or justification?

I can just say: "There are many many unexplained things in the world. There are a lot of things for which there is "no scientific explanation" - but it doesn't mean they don't exist. "

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

But can't you say this about any crazy idea you come up with?

If I say that our choices are in fact governed by the flying spaghetti monster you would say it's ridiculous etc; but I can simply respond by stating what you have. "most scientific theory is scoffed at at first and that science will evolve to accept my flying spaghetti monster theory". Basically what sets this apart from any idea anyone comes up with.

You're absolutely right Carôusoul lol. I wouldn't believe in the flying spaghetti monster myself - unless of course, I'd experienced it myself.

But if you told me you'd experienced the Flying Spaghetti monster, although I wouldn't believe it because I haven't experienced it and it doesn't fit into my belief system, I wouldn't claim it's rubbish. Especially if hundreds of other people were also claiming to have exprienced it. I would assume it's just something I don't know about yet. And if I was interested, I'd find out some more about it. If not, I'd not bother.

I don't believe in God (as a separate being) and the Devil, Heaven and Hell either, but I don't say it's rubbish. I don't believe in Ghosts either, but I don't say they don't exist. There are many people who claim to have personal experience of these things and although there's no scientific evidence for any of it yet, and I don't personally have any experience of any of it, and I don't believe it myself, I give those people the benefit of the doubt. If they experienced it, then who am I (with no experience of it) to say it's nonsense. It's obviously true for them.

Love and Light and Magic xxx

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Don't you understand what I mean though? You can say that because there are many things science doesn't explain that anything you want exists.

so I can claim that the flying spaghetti monster is orbiting mars.


You can say; where is any scientific evidence for that or justification?

I can just say: "There are many many unexplained things in the world. There are a lot of things for which there is "no scientific explanation" - but it doesn't mean they don't exist. "

Lol, our posts are over-lapping, I was answering your previous one. Hopefully my last one answered this one as well.

Alright, I'm getting kind of fed up here.

Yes, some new discoveries are often met with skepticism. However, every single one of those discoveries which were eventually accepted were able to produce reliable results.

In other words, get me that SUV or shut the f*** up, please

Lol, wow, Gnome, if it upsets you that much, you really shouldn't read about it. It's odd how people so often insist on taking part in discussions about subjects that they seem to have no interest in and subjects that clearly just make them angry No-one's trying to force the subject on you, do feel free to avoid it It's much more enjoyable to allow others to believe whatever they want to believe, and to feel comfortable with simply giving your views without trying to change their minds.

I'm assuming you're not serious about your claims that there's no scientific evidence for the LOA since you seem to be not interested in hearing about the experiments you obviously don't know about, and seem to be only interested in stubbonly claiming that your life experience and what you know up to this point in your life, is the only truth.

That's okay, I don't mind.
But for those who are interested in broadening their horizons and experiences, hopefully there's enough info in this thread, and do feel free to ask questions. If you feel intimidated by the "nay-sayers", do message me with your questions as others have done, and I'm happy to help.

The Gnome:

Yes, some new discoveries are often met with skepticism. However, every single one of those discoveries which were eventually accepted were able to produce reliable results.

hmmmm.... how long did it take to get someone to actually stay airbourne in the first attempts at flying? And even after that - how many fell down?.... not exactly Reliable results.
How many failed attempts were there at getting successful results from a light bulb (I believe it was something like over 900?) ... and so on.... I believe the inventor of the radio was in fact comitted to an asylum for his "insanity" in believing you could send sound waves through the ether (I'm not completely certain of this, it's something I read about a while ago). ... and the list goes on

Love and Light and Magic xxx

Just a brief point on why some of those analogies don't work:

Originally Posted by illusions

hmmmm.... how long did it take to get someone to actually stay airbourne in the first attempts at flying? And even after that - how many fell down?.... not exactly Reliable results.

We can observe birds flying and so it is clear that flying with wings can be achieved in one fashion or another; reliable evidence of the existence of flying right there.

Originally Posted by illusions

How many failed attempts were there at getting successful results from a light bulb (I believe it was something like OVER 9000!!!?) ... and so on....

We also know that when electricity is passed through high resistance wire it glows. We could see this before the creation of the lightbulb.

Originally Posted by illusions

Lol, wow, Gnome, if it upsets you that much, you really shouldn't read about it. It's odd how people so often insist on taking part in discussions about subjects that they seem to have no interest in and subjects that clearly just make them angry No-one's trying to force the subject on you, do feel free to avoid it It's much more enjoyable to allow others to believe whatever they want to believe, and to feel comfortable with simply giving your views without trying to change their minds.

Yeah, that's a great idea alright! Screw education, screw calling people out when they disseminate lies and falsities... let's just let everyone spew whatever nonsense they see fit and forget all about making progress for humankind by actually being rigorous about the way we go about science. If someone was running around saying "All women are inferior beings and clearly should be kept in kitchens", would you just "avoid the subject"? Hell no. You call them out.

Originally Posted by illusions

I'm assuming you're not serious about your claims that there's no scientific evidence for the LOA since you seem to be not interested in hearing about the experiments you obviously don't know about, and seem to be only interested in stubbonly claiming that your life experience and what you know up to this point in your life, is the only truth.

Did you read what I said about how they can all be explained?

Originally Posted by thegnome54

The effects of this "law" are purely caused by the way your thoughts change the actions of other humans and the way you yourself act. Neither of these represent a direct effect of your thoughts on the physical reality outside of your mind.

Again, if this is a LAW, then it should ALWAYS produce results. So go into the middle of a dense forrest and conjure up a Ford Explorer without doing anything yourself or communicating with other humans in any way. Now, please.

Originally Posted by illusions

hmmmm.... how long did it take to get someone to actually stay airbourne in the first attempts at flying? And even after that - how many fell down?.... not exactly Reliable results.

Oh, I forgot about the Law of Flying!
This is a very different situation, because you are claiming to have discovered a LAW - this law should always hold true. Also, as Carou said, birds can fly, so we had evidence that it should be theoretically possible for humans to.

Originally Posted by illusions

How many failed attempts were there at getting successful results from a light bulb (I believe it was something like over 900?)

Again, this is not a law trying to be proven - it is the application of a known phenomenon, namely glowing metal.

Science and Logic and Rationality xxx

Good point Carôusoul

And quantum scientists know that human emotion affects matter in at least some way, to at least some degree. As science advances, presumably we'll find out more. In the meantime, it would be very silly for those of us who are successfully using the LOA, to deny it, just because some people say it doesn't exist. lol.

As I keep saying, listen to the interview I posted earlier in this thread. It's bizaar that people keep saying there's no scientific evidence etc, and yet when it's pointed out, they can't be bothered to listen to it lol.

I'm genuinely interested in your response to the interview.

Love and Light and Magic xxx

Originally Posted by illusions

And quantum scientists know that human emotion affects matter in at least some way, to at least some degree.

I know too.
It affects matter because it's neuronal activity. Matter.

As science advances, presumably we'll find out more. In the meantime, it would be very silly for those of us who are successfully using the LOA, to deny it, just because some people say it doesn't exist. lol.

No. That's the logical thing to do. No evidence, no reason to keep believing.

As for the interview, I didn't even bother watching after reading the description and acquiring some info on the Braden guy (a dumbass). It's just your usual New Age babblings. No evidence, not even serious philosophy.

This is from his homepage:

In The Science of Miracles, you will discover paradigm-shattering revelations that demonstrate why:

* We are not limited by the laws of physics, as we know them today!
* We are not limited by the laws of biology, as we know them today!
* Our DNA is a code that we can change and “upgrade” by choice!

Nobel Prize anyone?

Korittke:

No. That's the logical thing to do. No evidence, no reason to keep believing.

ROFLOL Korittke, you've gOt to be kidding lol - If I'm getting what I want by using this, why on Earth would I want to stop??? I'm sorry, but that is hillarious! If you'd found a way to get what you want, but someone told you there's no scientific evidence for it, would you seriously give it up and not have what you want, just because of that "logic"?

Love and Light and Laughs xxx

Originally Posted by illusions

Korittke:

ROFLOL Korittke, you've gOt to be kidding lol - If I'm getting what I want by using this, why on Earth would I want to stop??? I'm sorry, but that is hillarious! If you'd found a way to get what you want, but someone told you there's no scientific evidence for it, would you seriously give it up and not have what you want, just because of that "logic"?

Love and Light and Laughs xxx

So you got the Ford Explorer?

Korittke:

As for the interview, I didn't even bother watching after reading the description and acquiring some info on the Braden guy (a dumbass). It's just your usual New Age babblings. No evidence, not even serious philosophy.

So, you haven't listened to the interview..... so you don't know about the experiments.... so... you don't have that knowledge to add to your argument.... so there's really no point in debating with you lol, if you haven't got all the information, it's kind of pointless.
It's like arguing with someone about whether a concert I saw last night and they didn't see - was good or not. If they didn't see it and only THINK they wouldn't have liked it because they heard a couple of songs by the same band on the radio, and didn't like those.... they still can't tell whether the concert was good or not unless they were actually there

If you're actually interested in the subject, listen to the interview, then we can debate properly because you can then say WHY you don't agree these experiments prove anything - or if they prove something different, and you can actually refer to examples and explain them away and so on.

Love and Light and Magic xxx

I don't spend time listening to some douche who claims that DNA can be altered by choice. This guy is a completely deluded idiot. Once you claim that DNA can be altered by choice you just disqualified yourself for any sort of intellectual conversation. I wouldn't even ask this guy for directions. 95% of what he says he probably just pulls out of his ass to sell his unlettered assemblies of shitty New Age babblings.

Did you get the Ford Explorer???

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

So you got the Ford Explorer?

Um.... what Ford Explorer? I never wanted a Ford Explorer?
But I did get the Silver Bora I wanted. I'm not big on cars, but I saw this one and loved it. And I'm very happy with it.

I've got financial security, I'm in a great relationship of 9 years with the person I wanted, and I'm loving my work.... and I continue to get what I want.

I have already explained earlier in this thread that the LOA isn't supposed to be litterally like a magic lamp - it doesn't mean you can simply think of something and it appears magically in front of you. But you can attract what you want within the scope of the physical world by being a vibrational match for it.

And being a vibrational match for it means no blocks and limitting beliefs - which are the reason most people experience difficulty with it.

I understand that if you haven't experienced it (and presumably you haven't tried?) that it's difficult to believe or understand.
But that's obviously up to each person. If you want to learn about it, there's plenty of information and opportunity.

Love and Light and Magic xxx

Gnome:

Did you read what I said about how they can all be explained?

I've had a look through the thread, and can't seem to find where you posted this? Please could you repost it?

Thanks
Love and Light and Magic xxx

Originally Posted by illusions

I have already explained earlier in this thread that the LOA isn't supposed to be litterally like a magic lamp - it doesn't mean you can simply think of something and it appears magically in front of you. But you can attract what you want within the scope of the physical world by being a vibrational match for it.

And being a vibrational match for it means no blocks and limitting beliefs - which are the reason most people experience difficulty with it.

What with all the New Age babblings??

Just say that it's a pop-psychology self help thingy and we're fine with that. Stop claiming that it has anything to do with the universe. It's inside your head. Nowhere else. It's called intention. You don't need to be a vibrational match for something, you just need to do whatever the fuck you need to do to achieve something you intend to achieve.

Originally Posted by illusions

Um.... what Ford Explorer? I never wanted a Ford Explorer?
But I did get the Silver Bora I wanted. I'm not big on cars, but I saw this one and loved it. And I'm very happy with it.

I've got financial security, I'm in a great relationship of 9 years with the person I wanted, and I'm loving my work.... and I continue to get what I want.

I have already explained earlier in this thread that the LOA isn't supposed to be litterally like a magic lamp - it doesn't mean you can simply think of something and it appears magically in front of you. But you can attract what you want within the scope of the physical world by being a vibrational match for it.

And being a vibrational match for it means no blocks and limitting beliefs - which are the reason most people experience difficulty with it.

I understand that if you haven't experienced it (and presumably you haven't tried?) that it's difficult to believe or understand.
But that's obviously up to each person. If you want to learn about it, there's plenty of information and opportunity.

Love and Light and Magic xxx

Isn't this just taking a positive outlook on life and taking steps towards getting what you want in life whilst being optimistic?

Where do supernatural "vibrations" have to come into it?

Ahhh, hold on a second, sorry, I've just re-read your previous post:

Gnome:

Did you read what I said about how they can all be explained?


Quote:
Originally Posted by thegnome54
The effects of this "law" are purely caused by the way your thoughts change the actions of other humans and the way you yourself act. Neither of these represent a direct effect of your thoughts on the physical reality outside of your mind.

Again, if this is a LAW, then it should ALWAYS produce results. So go into the middle of a dense forrest and conjure up a Ford Explorer without doing anything yourself or communicating with other humans in any way. Now, please.

First of all, NOW I see where the "Ford Explorer" has come in - sorry, don't know why I missed that the first time round!

Okay, regarding the Ford Explorer, first of all, I really don't want one lol - don't actually even know what it looks like. Cars are not an interest of mine.
Secondly, as I've mentioned before, this is not a magic lamp kind of thing - again, if you were genuinely interested, you'd know that by now as you'd have done a bit more research on it.

Originally Posted by thegnome54
The effects of this "law" are purely caused by the way your thoughts change the actions of other humans and the way you yourself act. Neither of these represent a direct effect of your thoughts on the physical reality outside of your mind.

I did read this - but it's not what I was referring to when I said:

"you seem to be not interested in hearing about the experiments you obviously don't know about..."

I was referring to the quantum physics experiments - particularly the ones mentioned in the interview with Gregg Braden, but there are others as well.

Love and Light and Clarity xxx

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Isn't this just taking a positivew outlook on life and taking steps towards getting what you want in life whilst being optimistic?

Where do supernatural "vibrations" have to come into it?

Lol, nothing "supernatural" about vibration. Everything is vibrating.
Have you guys read anything on quantum physics?

As for the positive view and taking steps... yeah, you know I tried that - for most of my life. I've always been optimistic, positive and worked really really hard. And I've always struggled especially financially, no matter what I did. It's a verrrrry long story so I won't go into it, but trust me I tried EVERYthing - including all the "logical" "down-to-earth" stuff. And yet things went wrong - things that you wouldn't have dreamt of!

I won't go through all the various stages obviously, but eveeeentually I found out about the LOA about two years ago. And even then, it's been very difficult - it didn't seem to work etc. But I did more and more research, read more, found out more, spoke to more people who were using it successfully, and eventually....I'm now at the point where I am hardly working at all - hardly trying at all - and yet, things fall into place for me. Now, the "things went wrong - things you wouldn't have dreamt of!" Has become things go right - things you wouldn't have dreamt of! lol. My life is full of Synchronicities and "chance meetings" and "what are the chances of..." - but for good stuff.

Love and Light and Magic xxx

Originally Posted by illusions

Lol, nothing "supernatural" about vibration. Everything is vibrating.
Have you guys read anything on quantum physics?

Love and Light and Magic xxx

And where does the law come in?
Actually explain this to us.
Electrons can be seen as waves. So they kinda vibrate.
How exactly do you change the frequency?
And why does this attract things through time-space?

Originally Posted by Korittke

And where does the law come in?
Actually explain this to us.
Electrons can be seen as waves. So they kinda vibrate.
How exactly do you change the frequency?
And why does this attract things through time-space?

Korittke, if you REALLY want to know the answers to this, listen to that interview, or if you're determined to judge Gregg Braden by the little you know of him, search out some other quantum physics information.

The experiments Gregg Braden referrs to were not carried out by him personally, they were carried out by scientists... so have a look for them - they explain it a lot better than I can, and besides if I describe the experiments to you, you'll only poo-poo them, so do find out from the source

Love and Light and Magic xxx

You're probably referring to the double-slit experiment or whatever. I DON'T CARE. That alone doesn't explain anything about either the law or why I can change my DNA by choice. Only because physics doesn't end with Newton doesn't mean you can just come up with some weird interpretation of reality as you see fit and say "true because quantum!". Nobody has ever made a useful connection between quantum mechanics and exaggerated New Age claims. All I ever hear is "BECAUSE QUANTUM, LOOK IT UP".

Originally Posted by illusions

Okay, regarding the Ford Explorer, first of all, I really don't want one lol - don't actually even know what it looks like. Cars are not an interest of mine.
Secondly, as I've mentioned before, this is not a magic lamp kind of thing - again, if you were genuinely interested, you'd know that by now as you'd have done a bit more research on it.

The law is presented as a 'magic lamp kind of thing' - if whatever you want is not attracted to you by nothing more than your wishes, then there IS NO "Law of Attraction". I've already said this before, but you didn't really respond:

Originally Posted by thegnome54

The effects of this "law" are purely caused by the way your thoughts change the actions of other humans and the way you yourself act. Neither of these represent a direct effect of your thoughts on the physical reality outside of your mind.

You say that you believe strongly in this "Law" because of your own experiences - now I ask you, have any of your experiences shown results which do not fit into the categories I gave? You don't even have to tell me, I'd just like you to think about it. I have a feeling you'll realize that it's all due to your own change in perspective and the actions of others who have got wind of your wishes.

And if you claim it isn't, get me a Ford Explorer. Or whatever it is you do want, if you're going to use that excuse - but still in the middle of a forest, alone.