Thread: The Law Of Attraction

[QUOTE=Korittke;600176
I also think that philosophy has a close connection with science, but the difference between the two is that philosophy isn't as rigid. You always have to check with science that you're not contradicting it, but you can go beyond that and talk about stuff you can't really prove empirically. So philosophy is like science with a fun twist.[/QUOTE]

I agree. It's hard to express the relationship, but I think that philosophy is very much like the 'hypothesis' portion of the scientific method.

One thing I disagree with is philosophy that can never be tested scientifically - non-falsifiable stuff that will never ever make a testable prediction. Things like 'brain-in-a-vat" and solipsism fall under this category. If your philosophy is like this, it is inherently useless, if you ask me. The real purpose of philosophy is to try and come up with possible models for the world that science is as yet unable to provide.

Science can never provide us with an answer to the qualitative part of the experience as I have expressed time and time again... That's where riding intuition and feeling come in. Without that ability you are forever inevitably doomed to continually search for an answer that lies directly at your feet.

I never reject the scientific method, only when it's thought of as the sole provider of all known truth, which in turn automatically rejects the experience of the observer as a quantifiable anomaly. I beg you to show me any study which quantifiably proves the self as a easily explainable chemical reaction. Until that time, why do you have such blind faith in a theory that doesn't even exist yet? That's no better than the religious zealots, if you ask me... only from the opposite end of the spectrum. What ever happened to having an open mind?

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Laws of games and politics are laws which govern the actions of conscious beings, who choose to comply with the laws. This 'law' of attraction is presented as a law which always works, cannot be broken, and was not invented by humans. In other words, it's presented as a natural law - a scientific law.

Ah, ok. I guess I just got a little confused here:

Originally Posted by thegnome54

They present this "Law" as a scientific fact, something which is a part of the physical universe.

It's not.

There is no law of attraction.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

But that's besides the point. This thread is and was originally about the "LAW" of attraction. The scientific law.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

I did not mean to say that intuition was not a part of a hypothesis. What I mean is that if your intuition goes against prior knowledge and experience, it shouldn't be a part of your hypothesis. Whatever intuition you experience still has to fit in with past scientific knowledge - the science underlies the intuition.

I think intuition does not go against experience, and is a greater form of knowledge.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Sure, it's good to think about, but the problem arises when you make things up and then believe them without thinking about how they fit into past scientific knowledge.

Yes. But imagine if scientists did that.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

If you deny that philosophy is scientific, how do you go about thinking about this law? Do you just say 'yeah, sounds good'? I really don't see any other way of properly thinking about it.

No, I don't deny that it is not scientific, only not completely, which you all seem to be saying.

No, I don't deny that it is not scientific, only not completely,

This will remain true until the day in which we can physically go into our 'material' bodies and pull out the organ which contains our consciousness. Until then, we remain somewhat in the dark ages when it comes to understanding it all entirely.

Remember, schizophrenia was once believed to be demon possession. It wasn't until we developed the technology to study the brain that it was understood otherwise.

I believe whoever finds the link between 'material' world and consciousness will have pretty much figured out our existence. But for now... I guess "42" will have to do.

Originally Posted by Tornado Joe

I believe whoever finds the link between 'material' world and consciousness will have pretty much figured out our existence.

Ok. The link is the Mind. That's how we have A Law Of Attraction.

Ok. The link is the Mind. That's how we have A Law Of Attraction.

Heh, well yah, one usually thinks about the mind when talking about consciousness. But what is the procedure? How does the mind effect what we perceive as 'matter' and events? These are the things that scientists (and those who need the "proof" of LOA) are seeking. Heck, I'd like to know too! Someday.

Originally Posted by really

Ok. The link is the Mind. That's how we have A Law Of Attraction.

Justify how the mind is linked to the external world whatsoever apart from interpretation of sense data? Also how the mind is seperate from the brain?


I argue that the brain is the mind. It has no effect on the external world.

Originally Posted by Tornado Joe

Heh, well yah, one usually thinks about the mind when talking about consciousness. But what is the procedure? How does the mind effect what we perceive as 'matter' and events? These are the things that scientists (and those who need the "proof" of LOA) are seeking. Heck, I'd like to know too! Someday.

Sorry, my bad I was vague.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Justify how the mind is linked to the external world whatsoever apart from interpretation of sense data? Also how the mind is seperate from the brain?

I argue that the brain is the mind. It has no effect on the external world.

Sorry I was just very vague, I did not imply that the Mind is the Brain.

We are related to the external world through the objective mind - the Brain is the organ of this Mind. We are related to the Universal Consciousness through the subjective mind, or subconscious mind - the solar plexus is the organ of this mind.

Being aware of how these two relate, we can unfold our world in the external.

Our mind has causes on the world.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

I argue that the brain is the mind. It has no effect on the external world.

Hi Carôusoul

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The interview is devided into 11 short sections, which is why there are 11 links.

You may find it very interesting - I'd love to hear what your think ....

Love and Light and Magic xxx

I'm happy as can be. This Law is real, and has been for so long. Which path will you take, how far will you go?

Take the red pill or blue pill? Will you become distracted, will you lose faith over the false?

I'm glad I'm believing it, because if I didn't I would be disappointed in what otherwise could be happening in my life.

Originally Posted by ClouD

I have witnessed the cure of cancer.

Indeed, i am God.

Indeed, we are Gods. This opportunity is only found by applying itself. Therefore, if you can be bothered disagreeing, you are unknowingly not going to learn anything about your potential.

Originally Posted by really

I'm happy as can be. This Law is real, and has been for so long. Which path will you take, how far will you go?

Take the red pill or blue pill? Will you become distracted, will you lose faith over the false?

I'm glad I'm believing it, because if I didn't I would be disappointed in what otherwise could be happening in my life.



Indeed, we are Gods. This opportunity is only found by applying itself. Therefore, if you can be bothered disagreeing, you are unknowingly not going to learn anything about your potential.

So nobody is interested in their power? Or willing to challenge otherwise? Surely not.

Originally Posted by really

So nobody is interested in their power? Or willing to challenge otherwise? Surely not.

By deluding myself with nonsense? No.

Originally Posted by Korittke

By deluding myself with nonsense? No.

I'm not interested in that either. But why do you think it is delusional?



Isn't this funny!

That which causes delusion is something which is false and despite being known so, is held in belief. Hence those looking away from the truth are actually deluding themselves! For those who have found the Laws of the Universe, which are actually found by science, see nothing that can go wrong, they have found God, they have found their infinite potential which is Universal, they seek only to do good and thus that is what they shall reap.

Do you know what a false impression is? A false suggestion? Things which brings ourselves away from the truth, things which we hold no benefit in, things which can hurt us. That which causes anger, hate and discord!

Whoever dwells in selfish thought may find no path to benefit their life. Whoever thinks only good, has an open mind, is not afraid to learn, shall learn the benefits of fearlessness.

What operates this? Do you want to change your life? Those who are deluded are actually people who do not wish to learn the truth, which explains all.

The fact that I have discovered something which I have been searching for so long, emphasizes the discovery itself. I'd like to share it!

Originally Posted by really

I'm happy as can be. This Law is real, and has been for so long. Which path will you take, how far will you go?

Take the red pill or blue pill? Will you become distracted, will you lose faith over the false?

I'm glad I'm believing it, because if I didn't I would be disappointed in what otherwise could be happening in my life.

CONGRATULATIONS REALLY!!!

I'm so Excited for you!
Enjoy!

Love and Light and Magic xxx

The Law is bullshit, because it's not a scientific thesis, yet claims to be one.
You can't change that by babbling on about what you think delusion means.

Originally Posted by illusions

CONGRATULATIONS REALLY!!!

I'm so Excited for you!
Enjoy!

Love and Light and Magic xxx

Hey, thanks!

Originally Posted by Korittke

The Law is bullshit, because it's not a scientific thesis, yet claims to be one.
You can't change that by babbling on about what you think delusion means.

Sorry to break it to you man, but I don't need a thesis to refine my life. In fact, I don't think those who write scientific thesis' weave the fabric of the universe either. And nor do I think that a Scientific Law claims to be a Scientific Thesis! Where did you get that from? Furthermore, I do not wish to change that, because I never believed it in the first place!

Besides, I've already stated it's a Law obviously concluded from Science.

I'll ask you a direct question: Would you like to learn about the true nature of this? Because if you did, you'd stop finding reasons to put obstacles in your path so you don't. Just imagine, if you agreed, you worked miracles, your thoughts augmented to higher levels, you finally understood what all the excitement was about - you realized why there are so many out there writing about this stuff, believing it, inspiring it, becoming peaceful and ever so content, and wanting to share it with others.

There is something extraordinarily constructive which many will never discover.

i am thinking about having 10 billion dollars!

.....where is it??

Originally Posted by really

Besides, I've already stated it's a Law obviously concluded from Science.

No. No, it's really not. Please stop saying that. Believe what you will, but I am telling you right now that this "law" is not science, or anything comparable to science, nor was science used in the process of "discovering" this "law".

The effects of this "law" are purely caused by the way your thoughts change the actions of other humans and the way you yourself act. Neither of these represent a direct effect of your thoughts on the physical reality outside of your mind.

If your thoughts actually affected physical reality, independent of your own actions and the observation of these thoughts/subsequent actions by other human brains, then you should be able to go out in the middle of a dense forest, sit on the ground, and will a Ford Explorer to yourself.

Since this is a law, the effect should always work, right? Well, go out there and report back when you get that car then.

Unless it's not a real law, in which case you can stop lying to us and yourself.

Originally Posted by Oneria

i am thinking about having 10 billion dollars!

.....where is it??

Hi Oneria

Lol, there's a bit more to it than just "thinking about" it. It's about how you're vibrating. For example if you're generally feeling worried, threatened and/or resentful or anything along those lines, then you'll be attracting more lack and struggle etc. - more of what you're a match for. Along with the obvious fact that you're making sure you don't get what you want by the extreem amount - feeding your own disbelief.

However, there are many people who are a match for what they want, and are open to it (don't have any blocking or limitting beliefs), and have therefore received it.

When someone has made up their mind that something is "impossible" or doesn't fit into their belief system (or they are scared of being dissapointed or let down), no matter how it's presented to them or how it's explained, they will refuse to see it. That's their choice, and luckily it has no impact on the rest of us.

For those who genuinely want to find out more about the LOA and how to use it, there is a wealth of information online, and I'm very happy to answer questions and help.

Love and Light and Magic xxx

Originally Posted by illusions

Hi Oneria

Lol, there's a bit more to it than just "thinking about" it. It's about how you're vibrating. For example if you're generally feeling worried, threatened and/or resentful or anything along those lines, then you'll be attracting more lack and struggle etc. - more of what you're a match for. Along with the obvious fact that you're making sure you don't get what you want by the extreem amount - feeding your own disbelief.

However, there are many people who are a match for what they want, and are open to it (don't have any blocking or limitting beliefs), and have therefore received it.

When someone has made up their mind that something is "impossible" or doesn't fit into their belief system (or they are scared of being dissapointed or let down), no matter how it's presented to them or how it's explained, they will refuse to see it. That's their choice, and luckily it has no impact on the rest of us.

For those who genuinely want to find out more about the LOA and how to use it, there is a wealth of information online, and I'm very happy to answer questions and help.

Love and Light and Magic xxx

I still don't get why this isn't just an assertion with no application in the physical world.

This sounds an awful lot like popular psychology out of a women's magazine.

The world is going to hell.

"Those who say it can't be done should never interrupt the one who is doing it!"

All through history people (including scientists ) have poo-pooed, "disproved", ridiculed and discredited a wide variety of discoveries, inventions, theories and ideas... many of which eventually became "common knowledge".

Luckily there are those who ignore the "impossible"; "doesn't exist"; "unscientific"; "no proof"; "against the laws of physics"; "ridiculous"; "The world is going to hell"; "The (fill in the blank) is bullshit"; "stop lying to us and yourself"; "Justify it"; "you're deluded/crazy/stupid"; "(fill in the blank) can never be tested scientifically"; "It has no effect"; "there's no evidence" ... and so on, because it means we now have, amongst many many many other things: air travel, the camera, the light bulb, the radio, television, the internet, the microwave, the vaccum cleaner, the washing machine, the heart transplant; a wide variety of medical modalities, .....

As far as I can make out, most new discoveries and inventions meet with disbelief and ridicule, and often outright violent opposition... and then.... magically, .... years later.... it's accepted as "normal"

Love and Light and Magic xxx

Originally Posted by illusions

"Those who say it can't be done should never interrupt the one who is doing it!"

All through history people (including scientists ) have poo-pooed, "disproved", ridiculed and discredited a wide variety of discoveries, inventions, theories and ideas... many of which eventually became "common knowledge".

Luckily there are those who ignore the "impossible"; "doesn't exist"; "unscientific"; "no proof"; "against the laws of physics"; "ridiculous"; "The world is going to hell"; "The (fill in the blank) is bullshit"; "stop lying to us and yourself"; "Justify it"; "you're deluded/crazy/stupid"; "(fill in the blank) can never be tested scientifically"; "It has no effect"; "there's no evidence" ... and so on, because it means we now have, amongst many many many other things: air travel, the camera, the light bulb, the radio, television, the internet, the microwave, the vaccum cleaner, the washing machine, the heart transplant; a wide variety of medical modalities, .....

As far as I can make out, most new discoveries and inventions meet with disbelief and ridicule, and often outright violent opposition... and then.... magically, .... years later.... it's accepted as "normal"

Love and Light and Magic xxx

I think the difference is that new scientific theories have evidence to back them off and at least can't be discredited. On the other hand there seems to be no evidence here and it can be discredited and explained away quite easily.

Hi Carôusoul

As far as I know, most of the discoveries made by science were at one point just an idea - with no evidence or proof. At least some of the scientific "laws" accepted today as self-evident, I'm pretty sure were once considered "out there" "ridiculous" and certainly at one time there will have been no "evidence".

Science didn't start out at the level it's at today. Equipment, knowledge and technology have continually grown over history. There have Always been things that science was unable to prove because the equipment, technology and knowledge was not yet developed to enable them to either know HOW to prove it, or to be ABLE to prove it. And there have always been people who, because science hadn't developed enough to prove something, proclaimed this something as "non existant" or "impossible".

Then, as equipment, technology and knowledge develops, new experiments are introduced and things that were unable to be proven before, are suddenly proved - because science has found new ways of investigating, exploring and experimenting.

Love and Light and Magic xxx